Determination vs Spell Speed (WHM)

[Torrential]

All other factors remaining equal, which stat do you think provides more of a benefit to keeping stuff alive?
The amount of potency received from determination is extremely low but the same can be said about the reduction in cast times received from a higher spell speed stat. Are they equally terrible? Which one would you go for if able to choose?

[DenzelTaru]

Funny you should say this, I have been using the Ifrit Codex which has Determination on it and then just yesterday I got the Garuda book that swapped 18ish Det for 22-24ish spell speed (sorry dont have exact stats) and i really did prefer the spell speed, lets just ignore the other stats for now because of course it has more MND etc. There was a noticable difference in my cast time, maybe only half a second but it was still faster which meant i could keep someone up better.

Going back to the other stats, det 18 swapped for +4MND and my heals are stronger by about 50, and i know the strength of the book factors in a little bit, but i don't think det has been that important for me.

[Fiosha_Maureiba]

I was a fan of Critical Rate, but if I have to choose between Determination and Spell Speed, it would be the latter.

It seems to have a greater impact on slower spells like Stoneskin and Holy, though if these are not apart of one's playstyle, then it may not behoove them to align with Spell Speed.

[Rainsford]

10 spell speed gives you exactly a .01 drop in cast speed, so 24 spell speed is a .02 drop (spell speed rounds down to the nearest 10). Also, weapon damage for heals is very, very significant. It serves as a multiplier to all your other stats, and a 30-40 jump in heals from a new weapon is not unimaginable.

As far as Det goes, I don't think anyone's done the tests for healing, but we do know that its value varies pretty wildly for different dps classes.

From that being said, of what I've done in coil, I've always felt like most of the healing is quickly filling up the tank after they get chunked (think Titan phase 3, constantly). In that regard, being able to put out other heals quicker (or being able to debuff and have your GCD come back quicker) feel more important than marginal heal-per-cast increases, but the difference is still negligible.

Of course, you could just make ilvl 70 crafted items and load them all with det, spell speed and crit!

[dragonflyseksparade]

There was a noticable difference in my cast time, maybe only half a second but it was still faster which meant i could keep someone up better.

lol. I'm sure there was a noticable difference, but it was no-where near half a second. I'm all for spell speed, but it doesn't have that big of an effect - at least not with current gear.

[Medura]

determination affects healing done TO you, not BY you. In other words: Determination is worthless on healer, and good on a tank.

[dragonflyseksparade]

determination affects healing done TO you, not BY you. In other words: Determination is worthless on healer, and good on a tank.

This is incorrect. Have no idea why people continue to spread this mis-information.

[Fiosha_Maureiba]

determination affects healing done TO you, not BY you. In other words: Determination is worthless on healer, and good on a tank.

In my observation, this is incorrect. A level 5 Conjurer would be healing a level 50 player for significantly more with a Cure I than a fellow level 5 player. And a fresh 50 White Mage in job armor should heal themselves the same as one of the AF+1/AF2 geared folk.

[Cimegs5088]

6 determination = 1 mind.

Not sure what's the spell speed calculation, but for us scholar, I would take crit>spell speed > determination.

For whm though, I think I would take determination over spell speed as I'm usually comfortable at healing and that bit more heal squeezed over long run can make our healing spells a bit more MP efficient, which seems like the problem of whm on general.

Don't get me wrong though, value wise I think spell speed will be larger than determination, it was just my play style that makes me pick det over speed as whm. If I'm not mistaken, every point of skill speed is equal roughly to 0.1% casting speed increase.

[Luxanna]

skillspeed is worth investing in bahamut coil