Determination vs Spell Speed (WHM)

[Torrential]

All other factors remaining equal, which stat do you think provides more of a benefit to keeping stuff alive?
The amount of potency received from determination is extremely low but the same can be said about the reduction in cast times received from a higher spell speed stat. Are they equally terrible? Which one would you go for if able to choose?

[DenzelTaru]

Funny you should say this, I have been using the Ifrit Codex which has Determination on it and then just yesterday I got the Garuda book that swapped 18ish Det for 22-24ish spell speed (sorry dont have exact stats) and i really did prefer the spell speed, lets just ignore the other stats for now because of course it has more MND etc. There was a noticable difference in my cast time, maybe only half a second but it was still faster which meant i could keep someone up better.

Going back to the other stats, det 18 swapped for +4MND and my heals are stronger by about 50, and i know the strength of the book factors in a little bit, but i don't think det has been that important for me.

[Rainsford]

10 spell speed gives you exactly a .01 drop in cast speed, so 24 spell speed is a .02 drop (spell speed rounds down to the nearest 10). Also, weapon damage for heals is very, very significant. It serves as a multiplier to all your other stats, and a 30-40 jump in heals from a new weapon is not unimaginable.

As far as Det goes, I don't think anyone's done the tests for healing, but we do know that its value varies pretty wildly for different dps classes.

From that being said, of what I've done in coil, I've always felt like most of the healing is quickly filling up the tank after they get chunked (think Titan phase 3, constantly). In that regard, being able to put out other heals quicker (or being able to debuff and have your GCD come back quicker) feel more important than marginal heal-per-cast increases, but the difference is still negligible.

Of course, you could just make ilvl 70 crafted items and load them all with det, spell speed and crit!

[Kraftstyle]

30 spellspeed or 30 det on one piece of gear - no difference at all. But 30 spellspeed or det on 10 items is a big deal. I believe it`s all about the boss u are gonna kill atm.

10 spell speed gives you exactly a .01 drop in cast speed

No it doesnt. The longer the cast - the more spellspeed affects it. Have just unequipped items ~30 spellspeed worth - lost .10 in the Raise cast and .03 in the Cure3 cast.

And it`s a good thing to remember that spellspeed affects not only the cast, but the cd as well.

[Syncness]

30 spellspeed or 30 det on one piece of gear - no difference at all. But 30 spellspeed or det on 10 items is a big deal. I believe it`s all about the boss u are gonna kill atm.


No it doesnt. The longer the cast - the more spellspeed affects it. Have just unequipped items ~30 spellspeed worth - lost .10 in the Raise cast and .03 in the Cure3 cast.

And it`s a good thing to remember that spellspeed affects not only the cast, but the cd as well.

There's a few spreadsheets around that show that 10 SPS = 0.01 GCD/cast speed. I don't know how in the world your raise cast and cure3 cast differed though, perhaps look at it again.

[Kraftstyle]

There's a few spreadsheets around that show that 10 SPS = 0.01 GCD/cast speed. I don't know how in the world your raise cast and cure3 cast differed though, perhaps look at it again.

Maybe it's 0.01%? That would make sense. Anyway you can do the same test as me to see that I'm right.

[dragonflyseksparade]

There was a noticable difference in my cast time, maybe only half a second but it was still faster which meant i could keep someone up better.

lol. I'm sure there was a noticable difference, but it was no-where near half a second. I'm all for spell speed, but it doesn't have that big of an effect - at least not with current gear.

[Fiosha_Maureiba]

I was a fan of Critical Rate, but if I have to choose between Determination and Spell Speed, it would be the latter.

It seems to have a greater impact on slower spells like Stoneskin and Holy, though if these are not apart of one's playstyle, then it may not behoove them to align with Spell Speed.

[Medura]

determination affects healing done TO you, not BY you. In other words: Determination is worthless on healer, and good on a tank.

[dragonflyseksparade]

determination affects healing done TO you, not BY you. In other words: Determination is worthless on healer, and good on a tank.

This is incorrect. Have no idea why people continue to spread this mis-information.