Determination vs Spell Speed (WHM)

[Fiosha_Maureiba]

determination affects healing done TO you, not BY you. In other words: Determination is worthless on healer, and good on a tank.

In my observation, this is incorrect. A level 5 Conjurer would be healing a level 50 player for significantly more with a Cure I than a fellow level 5 player. And a fresh 50 White Mage in job armor should heal themselves the same as one of the AF+1/AF2 geared folk.

[Medura]

In my observation, this is incorrect. A level 5 Conjurer would be healing a level 50 player for significantly more with a Cure I than a fellow level 5 player. And a fresh 50 White Mage in job armor should heal themselves the same as one of the AF+1/AF2 geared folk.

ok, this, this is just stupid :/ Yes, of course other classes heals for less, as they have less MIND than conjurer. MIND is the healing stat. And if people wanna say determination affects healing done BY you and not TO you, well, you are welcome to test. I will laugh at you afterwards though

[Fiosha_Maureiba]

ok, this, this is just stupid :/ Yes, of course other classes heals for less, as they have less MIND than conjurer. MIND is the healing stat. And if people wanna say determination affects healing done BY you and not TO you, well, you are welcome to test. I will laugh at you afterwards though

Please re-read my example before you call anything "stupid". A little civility can go a long way.

Example 1:
Level 5 Conjurer casts Cure I herself. Record the healing amount.
Level 5 Conjurer casts Cure I at a level 50 character (who should have more Determination to RECEIVE more healing). Record healing amount.
Your hypothesis: the level 5 Conjurer's heal at the high level player should heal for more than same amounts as when the level 5 Conjurer casts Cure on herself.

Example 2:
Level 50 White Mage in Job armor heals herself. Record the healing amounts.
Level 50 White Mage in Job armor heals a super-geared AF +1/Allaghan armored individual (who should have more Determination to RECEIVE more healing). Record the healing amounts.

Looking at your levels on your forum posting account, you can easily try out something closer to the first example. If Determination does increase healing RECEIVED by the player, which is what you're arguing, then we can concede. Until then, keep your civility in check.

[Riko_113]

determination affects healing done TO you, not BY you. In other words: Determination is worthless on healer, and good on a tank.

This is wrong in every possible way.

You're somehow confusing this stat with the GLD skill Convalescence. Is it because they both have more than two syllables?..

Is there no way for you to say this without being condescending and rude?

Maybe. But, since they in fact responded rudely to a post with a perfectly good explanation to disprove them, I don't feel they earned my civility.

[TeddyPrime]

This is wrong in every possible way.

You're somehow confusing this stat with the GLD skill Convalescence. Is it because they both have more than two syllables?..

Is there no way for you to say this without being condescending and rude?

[Cimegs5088]

6 determination = 1 mind.

Not sure what's the spell speed calculation, but for us scholar, I would take crit>spell speed > determination.

For whm though, I think I would take determination over spell speed as I'm usually comfortable at healing and that bit more heal squeezed over long run can make our healing spells a bit more MP efficient, which seems like the problem of whm on general.

Don't get me wrong though, value wise I think spell speed will be larger than determination, it was just my play style that makes me pick det over speed as whm. If I'm not mistaken, every point of skill speed is equal roughly to 0.1% casting speed increase.

[Luxanna]

skillspeed is worth investing in bahamut coil

[Fiosha_Maureiba]

Hi Medura,

I started healing a level 25 player who has 71 Determination for amounts of 830-890 over a minute's worth of Cure I.
I proceeded to heal myself, level 50 player with 259 Determination for amounts of 830-890 over a minute's worth of Cure I.

It is my observation that Determination does not affect the healing received based on this. If anyone finds something different, please let us know. I don't want to rule it out, but I don't see it impacting the healing received by spells, only the healing done by spells.

[sharazisspecial]

I am personally going to get as much of the determination AF2+allagan peices as i can.
There is not a determination af+1 or allagan for every slot however. Some allagan or af2 has only spell speed or crit. Spell speed is overall a better stat for a healer class then crit because of the control you have over the spells.

Imo whm stats mnd>>>det=pie>speed>crit

Det is great stat because it increases your healing potency and mana efficiency. Since your cure1 and regen becomes stronger with det . It means you can rely on cure2 less. Which is more mana saved. Which means during the point where damage becomes crazy you have more mana to spam cure 2. Which currently is enough to brute force coil1-4 especially with cd popped

You basically want to have enough mana to sustain cure2 spamming during the hard points in coil. Such as caecadus 5 stacks, ADS high tanks stacks, solo heal 4 stack dreadnaught.
You do this in few ways
1. Getting more pie
2. Boosting the strength of cure and regen with mnd , det and divine seal. so that easy points can we done with cure spam and regen alone.
3. Ballad from a bard.


Crit is a terrible stat for a healer to use. Because of its random nature may let you down. Healer generally gear for crit only if they have traits that benefit from doing so such as sch spell speed on crit and double shields.

[Zezeba]

Level 50 SS is 341.

Each 130 is 5% quicker cast.

This has been proven numerous times.