Losing aggro to WHM's on Titan HM

[Prince_Myshkin]

Occasionally I will lose threat once during a Titan HM fight. I'm very confused why. It is always to a WHM; so the problem is either with my rotation or their use of Medica and Regen.

Here's my rotation on Titan:
1. Run at mob and use Fight or Flight and then shield lob to pull. I use FoF for any increase in dmg threat.
2. Spirits Within & Circle of Scorn while on GCD from shield lob.
3. Immediately get into Rage of Halone combo rotation. I make absolute sure that I am always using a RoH combo skill while I'm not on on GCD.
4. Recycle RoH combo with spirits within/CoS whenever they are up. Also use FoF whenever it is up for extra dmg threat only until we are nearing phase 4 where I will save it.

I occasionally use shield lob after Titan jumps to have a skill used for when he is out of range. But if my TP is running low I won't use shield lob or if I think I can get a RoH rotation skill off before it expires I will use that instead.

So, this is my rotation. Why is the WHM usually at 95% enmity before bombs drop? How am I every losing threat if it appears to me (I could be wrong) that I am maximizing threat gain at all times? I do not use Flash because the threat gain isn't worth switching from RoH rotation.

Is it me or the WHM? People keep blaming it on me and I'm open to taking that responsibility, but I want to know how I can increase threat gain other than how I am doing.

Also, the white mages claim they are using Shroud on Medica/Regen when it is up.

[Prince_Myshkin]

Booo to grammatical mistake in heading. Thought I weeded that mistake out of me once I went to college.

[Gangaloo]

They're either not managing their healing properly or they're not dumping their threat with their threat reduction skill.

WHM being high on enmity is common on Titan HM, especially after heart phase.

[JormungandrVanagandr]

If they use Medica II too much they're going to pull aggro no matter what. If they're blaming you, they suck and should be kicked in the groin and learn some personal responsibility.

That and tell people to stop eating so much AoE. If the healer is healing for stuff other than Tumult the other members are screwing up far too much.

[Nullie]

There really is no reason for a whitemage to use Medica 2 during titan in early phases. If they're doing that, tell them to stop. They should always use shroud during the first 3 phases. Mp isn't a problem at all so should be used to reduce enmity. With a scholar the enmity is shared between fairy and scholar. Also, some groups will build lb at the start. I don't know how long. Sometimes I come across tanks who do nothing but stand there auto attacking until the go ahead. I'll have to tell them to use some enmity skills or something. Dps also getting hurt to stupid things like weight or landslide in early phases also causes them to get healed. This may be an issue too if a lot of people constantly are. More Medica or possibly a justified medica 2 being used when they shouldn't.

I've never had aggro issues with Titan. The one time I did pull hate the tank said "Oh I lagged for 20 seconds and couldn't do anything lol"

[Tanaya]

Sometimes I come across tanks who do nothing but stand there auto attacking until the go ahead.

How did you manage to live?

You guys should've like... died instantly.

[Nullie]

How did you manage to live?

You guys should've like... died instantly.

I don't say we do live all the time. Haha. But sometimes its a thing where they don't know. Its like the tank goes in and pulls initial skills. Then stand there. First set of stomps follows a medica and then turn orange from basic heals. Be blinking by next set. After next set of stomps use medica again and pull hate. Use shroud right away and at that point and still blinking orange. Tell the tank "DO SOMETHING NOW." Tank doesn't watch chat third set happens. Titan finally turns around and high fives me. Then tank starts to do something. Sometimes I can survive things like this. Not all the time though.

[BadRNG]

As others have said, they are likely either using Medica II too early/much or not using Shroud properly.

Just when to use Shroud will vary, but for me the best time was usually shortly after second jump when bombs begin to appear. After that the aggro lead should be so big that it's not an issue anymore (and it should be off cooldown by post-Heart just when MP may be an issue due to increasing tumult damage.)

[Sepix]

Many WHMs just dont pay attention to their hate at all. They usually do not have the boss targeted but the little orb near the mob name in the lower left should be enough indication when to use shroud. If that thing goes orange you either use shroud or stop healing if you can until it goes back to yellow. I can get 2 shrouds in before the heart and I usually sit on green for the rest of the fight with that.

[Fiosha_Maureiba]

I suspect that the White Mage is using Medica II where a Medica should suffice (initial set of tumults).

Also, if DPS is blazing hot, it may lead to the WHM using Medicas sooner and giving you less time to build enmity.

A WHM may also not be using their Shroud of Saints at the right time.

If the White Mage goes Cleric Stance nuts to speed up some of the phases, they may need to be extra careful with their AoE heals.

If too many people get hit by plumes, I could see the WHM resorting to another Medica and that's possibly the Medica that screws up hate.