Throttling...

[Maza]

Once this is running load up FFXIV.

Like this? If so I guess I'm not doin too good ><

[Raist]

Ok your instructions were clear enough I could follow. But I dont know how this would be evidence that I could show my isp to say "See, this shows that you ARE throttling", or even know in my own mind that that is what it means. I also dont understand why the ip is different from the one that people have been saying is my server's ip (184.107.107.176).

184.107.107.176 isn't a game server... that's a webserver. It's the old IP for www.eidos.com, among other sites (a lot of the games in their library point there as well). The game client connects to IP's starting with 199 if using the Canadian data center.

[spankybus]

What if the pipe that my cable provider has running to my house can support a 40mb download speed but I am only paying for a 20mb download speed...wouldn't I always appear to be throttled?

[Tam3n]

Hi, interesting information here...

I thought I'd give it a try, and the result: "Differentiated Services Field: 0x00 (DSCP 0x00: Default; ECN: 0x00: Not-ECT (Not ECN-Capable Transport))"

Ping test shows pretty constant 131ms latency though, so I'm not sure...

[Will01]

My connections from 199.xxx are all high priority, but all my connections TO 199.xxx are lowest priority. Why would the guide say to ignore the upoad ones? Is this what's causing lag issues? I tried forwarding ports earlier today, and it wasn't as bad tonight, it may well be coincidence though.

That's a fair comment actually, not ALL ISP's actually throttle your upstream so if your ISP only throttle's downstream (received info rather than sent info) checking for your activity where source is your server IP rather than destination would work for more people. In my case, I get throttled up and down so it doesn't matter so much for me.

Ok your instructions were clear enough I could follow. But I dont know how this would be evidence that I could show my isp to say "See, this shows that you ARE throttling", or even know in my own mind that that is what it means. I also dont understand why the ip is different from the one that people have been saying is my server's ip (184.107.107.176).

It would be difficult to get your ISP to believe you, I find when I ring my ISP I tend to know more about my network than the person I am speaking to, so I feel your pain. In re of the server IP you quote that is not the correct IP, the easiest way to find the correct ip is as follows:

1) Load up FFXIV and connect to your server.
2) Press your start button and go to run
3) In the run box type resmon and press enter
4) Go onto the Network tab and tick the box beside FFXIV
5) Highlight the FFXIV field and the bottom box will show your server IP under the remote address column, this is your server IP.

Thanks for the guide and now the most important question is: Now what ? continue to waiting ?

Well some people have reported that by contacting their ISP's with the information they have got their ISP to look into it, I know my ISP are looking into it:

http://community.virginmedia.com/t5/...on/m-p/2004742

so perhaps by contacting them with the extra info you might get your ISP to sort the problem before SE get onto it.

Like this? If so I guess I'm not doin too good ><

Yeh thats it, try it using the src as 199.91.189.74 and dst as 192.168.1.2 though, it might show better that way for the reason stated in my first quote.

What if the pipe that my cable provider has running to my house can support a 40mb download speed but I am only paying for a 20mb download speed...wouldn't I always appear to be throttled?

That's not a throttle, thats a speed cap, they are different, a throttle is where an ISP inspects your traffic and limit's your speed on specific traffic, i.e. downloading from uTorrent at peak times will be slower than say downloading a file from a website, ISP's do this to manage network congestion.

Hi, interesting information here...

I thought I'd give it a try, and the result: "Differentiated Services Field: 0x00 (DSCP 0x00: Default; ECN: 0x00: Not-ECT (Not ECN-Capable Transport))"

Ping test shows pretty constant 131ms latency though, so I'm not sure...

Latency would be different I think, as stated above throttling affects how fast you can download a certain type of traffic, not how that traffic is routed, the routing of the traffic control's the latency, whereas throttling control's how fast that traffic can be sent/recieved.

[Haystack]

What if the pipe that my cable provider has running to my house can support a 40mb download speed but I am only paying for a 20mb download speed...wouldn't I always appear to be throttled?

When it comes to the bandwidth your paying your ISP monthly for. The ISP sents a config file to the cable modem which sets the downstream and upstream rate to what you are paying for. If you want the full 40 then you will have to pay for it.

Some of the ISP's do throttle when in the prime time of the day. But of course if you call them and ask about it they will of course tell you no. It's either they don't know the answer and just tell you no. Also could be they are not telling you the truth and don't care.

Cause they know in some cases they could be the only form of broadband internet in your area. Placing throttle on stuff when in prime time use for there network is more easy. Then spending money to upgrade there cable network infrastructure. Not too long ago my ISP just upgraded our area to DOCSIS 3.0.

[Maza]

My ISP is the only cable internet I can get and it's docsis 3 and they have told me, the tier 2 techs, that I do not have a throttling problem and yet the problem exsists and there is nothing I can do about so far. It's like buying a new car and then finding out you have to walk 10 miles to get tires to put on it to drive it, hey if you want to drive your new car you have to work on it first..... /shrug

[Yoseph]

Im with a cable company. I got to the 2nd tier tech support, and talked to them. They don't throttle, but I got the same readings on wireshark....199.91.181.xx...reading...0x00...


Im running 10mbps and tested speednet at 11.43 mbps running FFXIV at the same time. The entire network is full blast as he put it, Brighthouse Networks/RoadRunner does not throttle anyone at this time, ever.

[Will01]

Some of the ISP's do throttle when in the prime time of the day. But of course if you call them and ask about it they will of course tell you no. It's either they don't know the answer and just tell you no. Also could be they are not telling you the truth and don't care.

Call me sceptical but this everytime. I have had many ISP's in my time working as a computer tech, I have also had many tell me they do not throttle or that they offer 'Totally Unlimited' Broadband (i.e. no throttle, in the whole time I have had broadband since the days when the first 512Kbps connections came along) I have found ONE isp who truly did not throttle.

Given that in the UK we have 10's (maybe even close to 100) different ISP's, one ISP that does not throttle is a very small number.

This website gives a much better rundown than I ever could of why having an ISP that does not throttle is a myth:

http://www.kitz.co.uk/isp/unlimited_ISPs.htm

[mayonnegg]

That's a fair comment actually, not ALL ISP's actually throttle your upstream so if your ISP only throttle's downstream (received info rather than sent info) checking for your activity where source is your server IP rather than destination would work for more people. In my case, I get throttled up and down so it doesn't matter so much for me.

Well I've asked on the Plusnet forums and they say that 0x00 for upstream is normal, as it's what the computer sets, and that once it gets to the point where it could be managed it's past the bottleneck (home to exchange) anyway.

Where is that quote from in the opening post? I don't mean which thread, I mean who said it, what context etc.