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    Florence Leduc
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    Ragnarok
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    Monk Lv 90
    you are the one that don't understand, you try to justify you own reasoning by insulting me.
    what i did was taking in account optimal condition for the monk, meaning without taking in account the rotation needed for keep the buff. i'm not there for tell this situation or this situation. we try to get a base for understand the potential of a class.
    i can make a more accurate calcul by using the whole rotation of each class on 90 second if you want, that not the point.

    some point i will try to make clear here for show how much you are focus on a small part of the monk dps.
    - you talk of ACC here it's important when you reach bahamut coil that normally must be done with Crystal tower equipement, we don't know how much acc/skillspeed we will get from it.
    we don't make this for bahamut coil only but for any situation.
    - other point is perfectly possible to keep 1.9 with a scholar in the group for 30 sec.
    - if Dragon kick critical the damage input will be better, when you do a basic comparaison with optimal situation you don't use the critical in account, because is not possible to know if you will or not critical on this or this skill.
    - about the critical, i'm simply asthonished... you didn't read me, i have simply said this: Dragon hit slower, but per hit the damage is far stronger. since the critical bonus is a flat +50% it's means he will get a better dps from the critical than the monk. i will try to make it simplier for you understand the point:
    - the monk will land 11 hit of 10 damage all critical on a time of 20 second, 10+50% = 15 x 11 = 165/20 = 8.25 dps
    - the dragoon will land 9 hit of 15 damage all critical on the same 20 second, 15+50% = 22.5 x 9 = 202.5/20 = 10.125 dps
    i hope this time it's more clear for you. indeed in normal condition is not possible to get that much critical in row, and more important the difference of damage per hit between dragoon and monk are more than 5 damage *grins*

    why compare with soo little thing in consideration? because add more variable will increase the lenght of the thread to even break the limit with edit. why compare dragoon and monk? because they are close enough for be used as comparaison between each, the other dps (ranged) don't have the same restriction as position, avoid melee attack of the boss or combo.
    indeed both class have a focus different as dps, however, we can't know where is the dps of the monk if we don't do comparaison.

    finally, we lack too much data from the game, for begin to say with absolut, our dps is right or not right. we will need tons of time to check data ACCURATE, not from the parseer. it's well know that the DoT are... inaccuratly boosted in the data and is important to point it Demolish is as strong than Bio 2.


    oh and more important, mister i don't read until the end, the math i have done, show that monk dps can be fairly good in optimal condition, actually better than the dragoon, i'm not for a boost of the Monk. will be nice to understand this. but the point of this... is only in optimal condition. and is fairly well know that the..."optimal" condition are extremely hard to maintain for a long time!

    ps mister world best monk, if you are not ok with my explanation feel free to give true constructive argument with math into it... simply insulting and saying you know more than the other is not constructive and don't make your point valid.
    we don't talk of the monk only in Bahamut Coil, but in every aspect of the game, is called balance. thanks to take this in consideration.
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    Last edited by silentwindfr; 10-07-2013 at 03:04 AM.

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