I agree with much in this. The way this game is set up, you CAN'T mathematically get past certain points without having X or Y gear; sad, but true. My beef with "elitists" are the people that when you use DF and say it is your first time, they quit. I know many people will say either that a) you shouldn't say it's your first or b) that they expect you to be experienced in it first. My response to these: a) I feel that is MORE harmful to my party, since they will assume I know the procedures and I will, out of ignorance of the dungeon, unintentionally cause problems. b) You can't expect a person to be experienced in something without first having done it. I watched garuda em videos before fighting her, yeah, but I only really learned it by doing it. This also reminds me of, "What do you need for HM garuda? Garuda wep."