Elitist Much?!

[Dire]

Bards get turned down because there are 5 bards for every non bard. Everyone and their mother is a bard. Bards don't have a dmg LB so people don't like taking two bards to AK or 4 bards to titan. Bards are so heavily populated that most people already know the bards they want to run with and already have them in group so if your not one of those bards they turn you away gear or not.

Be it as it may, the post I replied to stated that on Midgard there's no such issue as ridicuouls gear requirements in PUGs and I am saying it's not true in the slightest.

And really, the group needs a DPS LB in CM which is why Bards aren't good enough? Are you kidding me?

Anyway, Midgard is rife with elitists, I imagine just like any other server in the game. Of course not everyone is a douche, of course you can find groups if you try hard enough, of course it's not the end of the world. But lets call a spade a spade, shall we?

[SKOOBY]

Kind of a neutral outside view here being that i've tried to "over level", anyway before my dungeons. So, i'm glad to read these warnining posts about the issue "the good-the pushy-and the offended",I've cleared every FF title since (1).
In this MMO I have done the same thing and now I see it has spared me insults and what not in dungeons,(I havent played 11 though), so this is my first MMO anyway.
So my message to who's being called "elitist" would be to not be rude, you cant assume the character there thats not really ready actually did that on purpose-and realize that some peoples "MO" is trying to pull a fast one on the games content by doing what they say cant be done,
how many people do you know like that?,if you tell them its impossible to do something-they'le try harder.

[SKOOBY]

The insulting people could definitely approach this from a far better angle, at the same time however,
those being targeted by the rude, take my testimony and experience across all FF titles as an example.
Even when playing against "AI" by yourself it is definitely aggrivating to take a wipe, so what do you do? you go back,get a few more levels and then go get through that angry monster.
I'm saying the same thing applies here I've noticed,except that if you stroll into a dungeon under levelled its peoples you anger and not just AI.
I've enjoyed going in 2-3 or 4 ,sometimes 5 levels higher just for this purpose,with the usual sourpuss once in a while, its not been too bad.
I must tell the truth about FF tradition "the way the games content reacts" to different approaches of playstyle-has allways been that if you are not prepared, then it will call you out on that, sometimes I did however "get lucky" and do the impossible, its not very often.

[Leif]

This is more than a game for some people. This is a way of -life-, man.

[ChrysaorUSon]

Pathetic as it may sound, but you are right! You have those bums that sit on there asses all day and dun got to do a darn thing, and you got those richie rich boys that stay home all day because they got plenty of dough and can call ppl out all day (i hate those types) kind of people.

[Ryios]

I here that argument a lot "LOl you don't NEED a dmg lb for Insert Dungeon Here". Sure you don't need it. You don't need a riding lawn mower to mow your grass either, but if you have one I bet your not going to choose to do it with a push mower. My point is that just because you don't need a DMG lb doesn't mean you don't want one. It speeds things up. The idea to a speed run is to do it as Fast as humanly possible, and it's faster with a DMG lb than without one. And DPS from a BLM vs a Bard isn't far off enough to say that brd dps over time is > than dmg lb for aoe on adds on CM's second boss etc.

[krazykrusnik]

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Saying that you want exp/geared people in a pug doesn't make you elitist. Rarely every does anyone want to bother with that kind of thing if they just want to grab people who can do it and go. It would be a different story if they invited random pugs without giving specific reqs for the group and THEN harassing them over their gear/exp. That's the kind of thing you have to either: get your FC/LS to help you with or run it yourself with randoms in DF. People having those kinds of requirements for a hardcore raiding FC/LS isn't really elitist either, that's how most Hardcore guilds in other MMOs are anyway. At least they are nice enough to say what they want beforehand instead of leading you on only to give you a bunch of shit down the road.

I don't find many of these ppl elitists, just simple-minded, entitled, and selfish.

Example PuG shouts I see:
- Titan HM, Relic only (not a weapon farm advertisement, for clear to get Relic)
- Amdapor Keep SR 3/4 WHM or SCH Relic Only. (Do you really need a Relic healer for keep lol?)
- Amdapor Keep need (insert jobs) Full DL / Relic Only.
- Coil Turn 1 or 2, Relic Bard geared and xp'd. (Bard has a Relic and is wearing 4/5 AF1 /w Keep Accessories).

Those don't seem that weird to me at all, and I'm a casual ffs. AdvancedWind pretty much took the words out of my mouth for that one.

[Alavastre]

My experience is you just send them a tell, and be like, well I'm a <insert class here>, I'm geared but I don't know the fight well. I think most people will say they will look for an experienced person, but if they can't, they'll probably add you.

[Coraline]

I forgot having gear to do content is being Elitist .

[Deculture]

And AF + GC weapon is enough to do all of this.

• Show me a tank dying to Mountain Buster and I'll show you a group that isn't properly using Virus/Eye for an Eye/Sacred Soil/Adloquium and/or a tank that isn't properly using his cooldowns or being topped off.
• Show me a group that can't break heart and I'll show you a group that isn't properly using their LB/cooldowns, performing optimal DPS rotations and/or dispelling the Goal debuff.
• Show me a group that's dying to Tumults and I'll show you a group that isn't properly using Sacred Soil/Succor and/or healers that aren't properly timing their AoE heals.

Gear is simply a crutch for groups that aren't doing the above.

Do understand what this thread is about? Because it looks like you don't.

We 1 DPSed post-heart Titan one time when all the other DPS got knocked off due to Landslide (had 10+ Tumults at one point). Does that mean it's fine for DPS to just go AFK after heart phase? The fact that it's doable doesn't mean it's optimal. Keep in mind that the OP is talking about PUG GROUPS. Nobody is going to bring someone they don't know to a full on PUG Titan HM run if they're wearing AF gear and level 37 white accessories.