blackmage

[torphant]

Is it me or blm just seem lacking please tell me it's just me

[NeoAmon]

Lacking? yeah sure we don't have bard silence or SMN mobility, but guess what...no one in the game burst harder and no DPS class is absolutely independent of everyone else in the group other than the BLM.

I make my healers life easier by almost never needing them to ever worry about me (except turn 4, 5 can go f itself). I also do stupid amount of damage and in every possible way, dot, single target and AOE.

[Risbyn]

/garbage

All that coming from a bard, that's hilariously rich.

[ChickensEvil]

Haha, your funny, because while the "basic" rotation is simple, there is so much more to the class than just "spam fire until OOM" And as if your class is so much more complex, hit an ability, Oooo shiny! I guess I should click the shiny button! Oh look another shiny button. Oh, no more shiny buttons? guess I should prolly do something to make them shiny again. Only the melee classes in this game have "complex" rotations (especially DRG which is what, a 27 button cycle before it repeats?)

So basically instead of 1,1,1,1,1,2,3,4,1,1... your rotation becomes 1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4 I don't really see how one is more "difficult" than the other... DRG is only "harder" because you have to remember more patterns, but all of the classes are pretty dry rotations, very little reactions.

We have burst, and we have AOE burst, both of which are pretty useful to a group. Are bards OP? maybe a little bit, but there is a good reason why the absolute optimal DPS for Coil (at least the first 4 turns) is 2 BRD and 2 BLM. I am willing to bet if your silence wasn't so important it would drop your down a few notches.

To the OP, can you be more specific, lacking... how?

[Sindri_Myr]

@ ChickensEvil , Stop being butthurt please.
Even though our rotation is not all that different from a BLM, we DO move all the time - something that keeps the gameplay lively and fun.
As for Coil, we DO have a silence though, sorry to shatter your pretty dream but we will keep presence all the time.
Stacking Bards > everything else. Trashy BLM can stack coil? roflmaolol! Go outside bro, youre mad. And you're completely out of context.

[ChickensEvil]

@ ChickensEvil , Stop being butthurt please.
Even though our rotation is not all that different from a BLM, we DO move all the time - something that keeps the gameplay lively and fun.
As for Coil, we DO have a silence though, sorry to shatter your pretty dream but we will keep presence all the time.
Stacking Bards > everything else. Trashy BLM can stack coil? roflmaolol! Go outside bro, youre mad. And you're completely out of context.

Let's see here, first of all coil group comp:
The only posted guide up on the forums for coil recommends 2BRD (specifically for silence to make things easy mode... meaning if they give a decent silence to any other class good bye massive BRD presence) and 2BLM (or you can go SMN, they are perfectly fine as well)
Modified (one of the best guilds in the game) Group 1: 2BRD, 1BLM, 1SMN Group 3: 2BRD, 2BLM (couldn't find out their group 2 comp)
Tempest (another great guild) 2BRD, 2DRG
Order of the Blue Garter last I saw was running like 3MNKs and 1 DRG

Not sure how you get that BLM is under represented or not needed but cool, thanks for your pointless input there. All they need to do is make the MNK silence more reliable and goodbye stacking BRD for an interrupt requirement. Or they could move away from that style of play, making it less of a major focus.

As for the playstyle... I love how you have completely backpedeled here, but it's cool:

So you specifically mention "rotation" and then "im alreadt [sic] sleepy just from writting [sic] this", So I point out how the rotations are essentially along the same lines and super easy, and you call me butthurt, but yet change your own position that it is now more "lively and fun" because you "move all the time". Honestly, that just makes your class easy mode, because you don't have to actively decide when to cast something or if you need to move, or anticipate the bosses abilities to try to time your attacks properly. So I am not sure where you get that we somehow magically don't have to move all the time to get out of shit, but that's cool. If you want to change what makes a class more "lively and fun" then I dare say, we move just as much. Making us just as fun to play.

I will leave you with this, there is a reason the community has coined the term "bardtard"... so please continue to tell me how your class is so much more entertaining that it gets the connotation that any dummy can play it.

Back to the OP, I believe I have answered your question. BLM are in a good place, without being OP, if anything melee are unduly judged in this game (which is pretty normal for PVE games it seems), and BRD are a bit OP (based solely on their on demand silence which is practically a requirement). Overall I would say the game is decently balanced and play what you feel like, if you are a good player you will be able to find a place somewhere on a raid team.

[Risbyn]

Back to the OP, I believe I have answered your question. BLM are in a good place, without being OP, if anything melee are unduly judged in this game (which is pretty normal for PVE games it seems), and BRD are a bit OP (based solely on their on demand silence which is practically a requirement). Overall I would say the game is decently balanced and play what you feel like, if you are a good player you will be able to find a place somewhere on a raid team.

This is pretty spot on advice.

[Xal]

@ ChickensEvil , Stop being butthurt please.
Even though our rotation is not all that different from a BLM, we DO move all the time - something that keeps the gameplay lively and fun.
As for Coil, we DO have a silence though, sorry to shatter your pretty dream but we will keep presence all the time.
Stacking Bards > everything else. Trashy BLM can stack coil? roflmaolol! Go outside bro, youre mad. And you're completely out of context.

ill have bard monk war blm and all can i say u must quit this game.

[glim]

We have burst, and we have AOE burst, both of which are pretty useful to a group. Are bards OP? maybe a little bit, but there is a good reason why the absolute optimal DPS for Coil (at least the first 4 turns) is 2 BRD and 2 BLM. I am willing to bet if your silence wasn't so important it would drop your down a few notches.

it's the "1 singing foe requiem while other singing mana song to keep the other bard singing foe requiem" that makes 2 bards a very singnificant addition in the group, and last I heard, it's not 2BRD 2BLM, it's 2BRD 2SMN.

[Sindri_Myr]

it's the "1 singing foe requiem while other singing mana song to keep the other bard singing foe requiem" that makes 2 bards a very singnificant addition in the group, and last I heard, it's not 2BRD 2BLM, it's 2BRD 2SMN.

lol burn
Seriously, why take BLM as a dps when Summoner do as much dps - probably even more AND can move during fights.