Will FFXIV's failure be a key to it's success?

[Mack]

It seems like you think every person on the development team ins involved in this overhaul (which btw only includes the battle system). No only the battle system team are involved, the rest such as people who design areas and people who do the monsters are all operational as normal and thus its slow. We've had 1 new mob since release which is sad. We've had no new areas (when there are areas that exist but the game wont let us go there, why not just open these up? They are complete and would shut people up). The games development is slow and isn't revolved around this battle system update. They are not waiting on it, otherwise they wouldnt go release 20 mid NM's that are going to become unbalanced.

Actually they are waiting on it because Yoshi said so. He said why release new content catering to the new battle system *before* releasing the new battle system. I'm not an idiot, I don't think the entire team is working on the battle system overhaul but some of you make it sound like the battle system is just getting finished, its probably been tested to death already and has been getting fine tuned for a while now. Battle system changes brings with it a lot of things, stat changes, armor changes, ability changes, class balance, mob changes, mob behavior perhaps, mob balance, etc. etc. That's why I'm saying that just because we haven't been getting much doesn't mean nothing is getting done. The next patch could be a chalk full of content for all you know, you make it sound like 6 months is a long time and you forget the state the game was released in.

[Mack]

Not to mention SE have to compete against Blade and Soul which is also coming to PS3 and is light years ahead.

In the same vein FFXIV was "the next WoW" before it was released right? people just don't learn.

[JackDaniels]

Highly likely.

Wow, we have some common ground?!

[Ayerc]

FFXIV may make a recovery, and may eventually fill a niche, but make no mistake:

Whatever success FFXIV may achieve, it will never match what might have been if it had been a good game from the start.

[Paragons]

All possible, but not possible with the current team. They are to slow right now and because of this it will always be behind other MMO's for a very long time.

But in 3-4 year sit could be good, if something else doesn't come out then.

No, they fix it now or it will always remain a small community...

....um~ lets see; there is a NEW TEAM o.0 (what are you talking about ; top to bottom lol.) and lets seee...they had an EQ, Nuclear disaster (which just got worse again last night) and Golden Week last week...(all right at the start of it).
So it may appear slow but...yeah. (Plus the new team has to look over absolutely everything you could imagine to get caught up to speed and present there new direction. They can't tell us everything that's going on right now because they are planning an entire complete 180 with everything in FFXIV from bottom to top; from Class names and mechanics, all the way down to adding jump lol.) (It was hinted that they might release a 17B this month because the new team knows how it feels for us; and telling us nothing till june bothers them too under the circumstances.) (there was even a letter about it lol )

Don't bash the new team; when they actually are what we've been waiting for...
(Im saying ur comment might give the new players looking through the forums the wrong idea)

This teams getting things done and fully into it. Matter of fact all of SE is going through a revamp; not just the team and projects....(Which is why they need it to work and fully intend to make it work; there not just trying to save the game or regain some costs; obviously! lol (The great apology and our ability to play for free)
This team also has no issues listening to players and are going to be doing things the past team refused ignorantly to do over and over. Im glad there's not a disillusion mad man in control anymore. (RiP Dinosaur and the most evil boss FFXIV will ever see)

The people playing from beta or release that are still here need to be sensitive to new players because getting them back this will be the first real turn around in an mmo in history...I mean usually at this point if its an mmo there is no real recovery but because of SE's current situation (and therefore new found awareness to the community) along with PS3 release it can happen.
I saw a guy (new player) looking for LS the other day and he got a bunch of ftp idiots telling him tuff shit... You got people asking for airships n chocobos; then people saying we don't need them....Really then don't use them... You have people coming back just to kill time because its free (Cata is over, Rift is at its peek, and SoE servers have been down for over a week n up to the end of the month probably.)
Be selfish and desire the game out loud however you want; but its the players coming back that are going to make it so you can continue to play ur way. Seriously; I know most of the people that are still around are good people; Im not trying to be negative; im just saying more people need to keep stepping up to the plate. Else this will just be another VG disaster in the long run. SE wants to fix this so lets help them; they are asking for that. And I feel many players are like those that give up in life right when the sunlight was right around that corner they couldn't crawl towards, because they thought it would just be another street...

Also to many people who haven't bothered to roll a new character (the new team is focusing on the beginning players (working on tuts, quests etc) and if you are a player coming back it seems its far easier to notice how much has changed since the start then for the older players dragging on in there hope at this point.

Completely new battle system on the way, classes going classic, no more surplus / fatigue etc...Many of the things people elft over...The engine is getting optimized (for all the lag problems) code being reworked... First big content addition coming to be followed by much more. Even zones getting revamped...its finally coming.

sry sry rant over~

[Paragons]

And all this talk of no communication...Freaking look at the Dev tracker and the under development sections; they tell you whats coming. (The things which are not brought up often.) I know everyone's use to getting the silent treatment and its what we come to expect...But SE is being shaken down with ears and eyes now open. (Not just the FFXIV team)This new team doesn't deserve to get our defeatism speeches or to be scolded for anothers mistake...these guys are getting stuff done...The old team just wanted to tweak and patch; like band aids on a patient with a severed limb. These guys are actually bringing change. A whole new game almost. *Crawls back in hole (for real this time)

[Nuru]

No, they fix it now or it will always remain a small community...
...sry sry rant over~

I don't think that was a rant. It makes sense what you are saying, and I am glad its not a two word post like, "Nope. lol"

[Onidemon]

FFXIV may make a recovery, and may eventually fill a niche, but make no mistake:

Whatever success FFXIV may achieve, it will never match what might have been if it had been a good game from the start.

It is not impossible but the only way FFXIV can be a success is if they turn the game from a 6/10 to a 10/10. People are not forgiving and most have moved on... a 8/10 game will not make any of those people who already have a bad opinion give it a 2nd chance.

Because it failed so bad it needs to be extra good and way better then the competition. They blew their first chance so uneless they turn this into next wow then it will at best as popular as FF XI is now.

[Judge_Xero]

Hey Oni. Nice post. This is exactly how I felt a while ago. All of the updates, while I admit they take a bit to come out, have been great improvements. I will continue to play FFXIV. It's F2P right now anyways, so I don't mind waiting. I bet once they have the foundation set for Battle, UI and Optimization there is a crap load of content set to be released. It'll be like a whole new game.

I don't really understand the reasoning behind the analogy of, 4/10 Basement with a 9/10 house on top. It's more like they just tore down the the whole house and built a better one. It is a new constrution team after all.
"Bus Driver. Move that Bus"

[Ayerc]

It is not impossible but the only way FFXIV can be a success is if they turn the game from a 6/10 to a 10/10. People are not forgiving and most have moved on... a 8/10 game will not make any of those people who already have a bad opinion give it a 2nd chance.

Because it failed so bad it needs to be extra good and way better then the competition. They blew their first chance so uneless they turn this into next wow then it will at best as popular as FF XI is now.

I agree, though it'll never be the next WoW. But even if they get reviews giving it a 10/10, there are still plenty of players jaded by the first experience that will either refuse to believe it, or just won't care to come back. I can see it slow building up to what FFXI had in it's hayday, I think there's enough potential in the game for that, but we're still a long ways away from that.