Will FFXIV's failure be a key to it's success?

[Onidemon]

I've been thinking... because FFXIV failed in so many aspects and we were given a pretty much empty game. Because of this it gives the dev the ability to reforge the game and have a base to work with. With the help of the FFXIV community, the forums and the polls... the game has the potential to turn into the greatest mmo out there.

I mean it is a way better situation then having a mmo full of content and feautres that suck and would require too much work to change. Correct me if i am wrong but i don't think there is another game that did what FFXIV is doing and have the player base influence it's development.

[Joeking]

You could just change bad features to something good and some features an individual will hate another will like. While something empty has nothing to like or to hate, so whats the point. I'm not generally refering to the game here, its like them selling the game but you only get a box, no disc, no manual etc.

[viion]

All possible, but not possible with the current team. They are to slow right now and because of this it will always be behind other MMO's for a very long time.

But in 3-4 year sit could be good, if something else doesn't come out then.

[gifthorse]

I've been thinking... because FFXIV failed in so many aspects and we were given a pretty much empty game. Because of this it gives the dev the ability to reforge the game and have a base to work with. With the help of the FFXIV community, the forums and the polls... the game has the potential to turn into the greatest mmo out there.

I mean it is a way better situation then having a mmo full of content and feautres that suck and would require too much work to change. Correct me if i am wrong but i don't think there is another game that did what FFXIV is doing and have the player base influence it's development.

We can't influence the development any more than we can any other game.

Many other games like TERA and GW2 have more active developers, engaging with the community. FFXIV is hardly unique in that respect, and possibly fares worse by comparison. But I admire your attempt at putting a positive spin on the situation.

[Dargoth_Draconia]

Highly likely.

[Ostia]

I've been thinking... because FFXIV failed in so many aspects and we were given a pretty much empty game. Because of this it gives the dev the ability to reforge the game and have a base to work with. With the help of the FFXIV community, the forums and the polls... the game has the potential to turn into the greatest mmo out there.

I mean it is a way better situation then having a mmo full of content and feautres that suck and would require too much work to change. Correct me if i am wrong but i don't think there is another game that did what FFXIV is doing and have the player base influence it's development.

Can it become something Good? Yes it can, but that is only because it is so Bad! As for if is a better situation or not that MMO'S with content and bad features, well this game has no content and bad features..... a MMO with content atleast has that to keep its current player base engaged until they figure and fix the features.

Also no, this game is not the first one to actually have the dev and mods engage with the player base in discussion and debate of features, tho it is a welcome change from FFXI.

[Verecund]

...what?


/10karazhan

[Mack]

All possible, but not possible with the current team. They are to slow right now and because of this it will always be behind other MMO's for a very long time.

But in 3-4 year sit could be good, if something else doesn't come out then.

You wont know if this team is "too slow" until the end of the summer. You think picking up the slack on a half finished game is quick and easy? the conception of what they have to do moving forward takes some work and it needs to be done right. I'm willing to bet they've probably been testing and tweaking the battle system for the last two months now along with whatever new content they have. The new team may be small, which will hinder its progress, but we don't know if its "slow" until we see what they give us here soon. End of the summer is do or die for this game and sometimes I log in and I think "do!" and other times I think "its already dead what the hell is gonna save it!"....but i always log back in. God help me.

[Mack]

We can't influence the development any more than we can any other game.

Many other games like TERA and GW2 have more active developers, engaging with the community. FFXIV is hardly unique in that respect, and possibly fares worse by comparison. But I admire your attempt at putting a positive spin on the situation.

And I agree with gifthorse here, because as much as some of you like to come down hard on this not too mellow of a fellow he speaks a good word often and makes more sense than most of the blabber on these forums anyway. The devs aren't really being influenced *that* much by us, at most they will take, "make new content!" and add new content but what that content entails is up to them. They will take the subtleties like make the UI more responsive! or give us Chocobos! sure...those are a given, but its not like they're listening to the guy who wants full on airship battles with flying chocobos and mounted summons...not unless they think they can actually pull something like that off with as few resources as possible relative to what else they have to do. IMO its nice to have these forums, but in reality they are just here as an illusion, much like how governments work! :P

[viion]

You wont know if this team is "too slow" until the end of the summer. You think picking up the slack on a half finished game is quick and easy? the conception of what they have to do moving forward takes some work and it needs to be done right. I'm willing to bet they've probably been testing and tweaking the battle system for the last two months now along with whatever new content they have. The new team may be small, which will hinder its progress, but we don't know if its "slow" until we see what they give us here soon. End of the summer is do or die for this game and sometimes I log in and I think "do!" and other times I think "its already dead what the hell is gonna save it!"....but i always log back in. God help me.

It seems like you think every person on the development team ins involved in this overhaul (which btw only includes the battle system). No only the battle system team are involved, the rest such as people who design areas and people who do the monsters are all operational as normal and thus its slow. We've had 1 new mob since release which is sad. We've had no new areas (when there are areas that exist but the game wont let us go there, why not just open these up? They are complete and would shut people up). The games development is slow and isn't revolved around this battle system update. They are not waiting on it, otherwise they wouldnt go release 20 mid NM's that are going to become unbalanced.