XIV WAR Tanking - Baseline Mitigation and PLD comparison

[PessimiStick]

50% Attack Power is absolutely not 50% damage, FYI. It's weaker than you're estimating.

[javid]

50% Attack Power is absolutely not 50% damage, FYI. It's weaker than you're estimating.

This is to be determine. We don't have any solid information on how attack Power scales to actual dmg. Again I said IFF it's a linear correlation; IF attack power, like str is to parry, has tiers then.... that sucks ass.... but again lets get some numbers and find out how MUCH weaker it maybe than 50% dmg

[PessimiStick]

This is to be determine. We don't have any solid information on how attack Power scales to actual dmg. Again I said IFF it's a linear correlation; IF attack power, like str is to parry, has tiers then.... that sucks ass.... but again lets get some numbers and find out how MUCH weaker it maybe than 50% dmg

It takes like 4 seconds to test. Hit mob, pop Berserk, hit mob. It will be well below a 50% increase.

[Viridiana]

So, Javid, your defence is essentially "I want to be carried, because my class is bad and I want the healers to work for it."

Why should the rest of the community cater to that?

[javid]

So, Javid, your defence is essentially "I want to be carried, because my class is bad and I want the healers to work for it."

Why should the rest of the community cater to that?

My "defense" was I disagree that Warrior; has to be "carried" through content. I simply made a correction to his saying. IFF we "warriors" were being carried THROUGH end-game (titan+ beyond content as main tank). This would still demonstrate that the WArrior Party is showing more effort, focus, resolve, than that of a similar PLD group.


The community as a WHOLE doesn't want any ONE thing....or we'd not be having this thread page 4 (of the infinite WAR vs PLD comparison)......so community is divided on what they want.

[javid]

I don't have anything higher than Titan to boast about personally. I've tank Titan at 6.2k HP & at 7.1k;

LET ME TELL YOU.....THAT 6.2K; you can make NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO mistakes; none; Healers included

After Titan phase 5 does his bomb formation he's coming for you and if you weren't smart enough to start buidling your hp pass 5500 for the 800 punch he'll do, followed by rock buster(left hand bitch slap) for 1k+ then the 4.5k mountain in your face.... you dead.... that simple.

my healers were experience both times so it was fun and exciting for everyone in party who was thrill that defeated Titan with a WAR main.

FYI: Mountain in your face is on a minute rotation; you can IBx3 by then to help mitigate the dmg.


yes yes you're still taking dmg from tumult and 2 other 800 dps ; but this is why it's key you absorb the proper HP at the right time. For example I never use Conval with Wrath 15%; that is excessive; and should only be done if you are about to get that MOUNTAIN SLAP and you need that 5.5k HP NOOOOOWWWWWW!!

[Faction]

Berserk is nowhere near powerful enough to warrant the pacify at the end of it's effect. It's a pretty great example of the terrible design that plagues this game. Fight or Flight gives more damage AND has no downside.

Berserk with a smart healer is marginally better than FoF. Esuna HEALER...ESUNA....WArriors need it.

Ok let's talk about esuna on the pacify

1) Healer has to sit there with gcd clear, ready to cleanse the pacify.
2) Healer uses esuna, the animation plays, pacify is finally registered as being cured
3) In exchange for this, you get a whole ONE EXTRA ABILITY OFF because of the delay on esuna.

How is a tank getting to use one extra weapon skill worth even remotely worth all of that bother?

[VahnValbosce]

Berserk is nowhere near powerful enough to warrant the pacify at the end of it's effect. It's a pretty great example of the terrible design that plagues this game. Fight or Flight gives more damage AND has no downside.



Ok let's talk about esuna on the pacify

1) Healer has to sit there with gcd clear, ready to cleanse the pacify.
2) Healer uses esuna, the animation plays, pacify is finally registered as being cured
3) In exchange for this, you get a whole ONE EXTRA ABILITY OFF because of the delay on esuna.

How is a tank getting to use one extra weapon skill worth even remotely worth all of that bother?

Because everything to you is negative and wrong, and there is nothing positive. Period.

[Faction]

Because everything to you is negative and wrong, and there is nothing positive. Period.

Isn't it funny how one side presents objective facts and all the other has is crap like this?

[Hachiko]

Berserk with a smart healer is marginally better than FoF. Esuna HEALER...ESUNA....WArriors need it.

Nevertheless; Fight or Flight is less hassle and the "EASIER" skill (I myself prefer it to berserk overall; BUT NOT SITUATIONAL; which is the main reason bersker is used- to max IB)

2 things. First off, if you're doing real content your healers aren't going to have "free" GCD's to cast esuna to remove a debuff you put on yoruself that's really of little consequence. And again, this is an example of WAR skills making it more difficult for the rest of your party, not for the warrior themselves. You're not relying on YOUR skill to make good use of Berserk. You are relying on other people.

Point two, you would be incredibly stupid to prefer Berserk to Fight or Flight.

Fight or Flight is slightly less damage increase lategame (30% for FoF, 35-40% with berserk), but it has the same cooldown, no downside, and 10 second longer duration. Fight or Flight works out to 10% increased DPS/Enmity if used on cooldown. Berserk works out to about 3-4% if used on cooldown.

Unchained is another example of a skill that's not only less potent, but also carries a bunch of situational downsides. Berserk and Unchained combined don't match the contribution to damage that fight or flight gives you.

So again, it's not about "using the skills better". It's just about the skills being objectively significantly worse, and having usage complications on top of being worse.

In short, you really don't know what you're talking about. Maybe you just haven't thought about it that much. You might think the mechanics are better, but the argument you're making is akin to someone saying they would prefer to do 8 dps instead of 10 dps. It's nonsensical in terms of game mechanics.