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  1. #11
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    teknotaz's Avatar
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    Niko Draco
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    i am going to be buying the most expense stuff. then getting the cheaper stuff will not take as long
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    I am GOD! You may not like it, but I have to live with it

  2. #12
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    Aria Placida
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jabba View Post
    Your main stat is the most important thing u can aim for, even ONLY 4 pt of dex are like godly vs 24, or even 50 crit...
    Quote Originally Posted by energeisT View Post
    The 4 dex alone is worth 24 crit.
    Hmm. . .I'll take your words for it. I'm probably just staring at my accuracy and hating the idea of adding any more. >_>
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    Sir Stalkster
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    From what I see around. 1WD=6stat 1stat=4other stat.


    I'm having a hard time with DL>Toxo in hands/legs also, 35crit vs 6Dex 26Det. (8.75 vs 12.5) If you look like it like this it's a winner but..

    DL Hands:2Dex/8Det =4
    Toxo Hands: 11Crit/15Skill speed(meh)=6.5[even if we take the skill speed away it would be 2.75]

    DL Legs:4Dex/18Det=8.5
    Toxo Legs:24crit=6

    I think the real question is "how much of a difference is 35crit really going to make?".

    We got to think Higher crit=higher chance of BL reset. Where not counting acc cause your prolly capped or over capped.

    Maybe Gryphonskin hands/legs as fillers, with crit melds? Can't find a hq pair showing stat caps.
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  4. #14
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    Lunar Emerald
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    Top darklight bracers
    Bottom: toxotes bracers
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    What stats and program are you using to get that readout?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Viridiana View Post
    What stats and program are you using to get that readout?
    http://valk.dancing-mad.com/?page_id=202

    Stats were

    433/431 dexterity
    250/242 determination
    41 weapon power
    44.82 auto attack
    429/440 critical hit rate
    367/382 skill speed
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    Laura Bailey
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    Quote Originally Posted by LunarEmerald View Post
    http://valk.dancing-mad.com/?page_id=202

    Stats were

    433/431 dexterity
    250/242 determination
    41 weapon power
    44.82 auto attack
    429/440 critical hit rate
    367/382 skill speed
    The formula will produce numbers that are consistently 1-2 points off. I am not sure why, but since the error is a consistent systematic error and not a random error, this should not be much of a concern.
    Also, the methodology section shows all testing was done with melee damage, not ranged. While there is a good possibility they function similarly, that combined with the fact that it's a best guess at best, means you should take it with a grain of salt.
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  8. #18
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    Better than pure conjecture.

    Also, if you look at this page.

    http://valk.dancing-mad.com/?page_id=260

    For Bard and Archer, plug your DEX value into the STR boxes.
    it specifically mentions substituting STR for DEX for range. Both pages are using the same formula.
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    Last edited by LunarEmerald; 10-05-2013 at 07:42 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LunarEmerald View Post
    http://valk.dancing-mad.com/?page_id=202

    Stats were

    433/431 dexterity
    250/242 determination
    41 weapon power
    44.82 auto attack
    429/440 critical hit rate
    367/382 skill speed
    So, I do get the results you posted with the numbers you gave (didn't doubt that, just testing to see if any buffs were checked).

    Then I put in my actual numbers:

    441 Dex
    224 Det
    40 weapon power
    43.73 AA damage
    482 crit rate
    385 skill speed
    150 WS Potency

    The numbers I got returned were:
    176 AVG WS DMG
    130 AVG AA DMG

    The problem is, I can't get my Heavy Shot damage that low. I can't. The lowest I'm seeing is about 205 damage. That's a 30-damage error before factoring in any critical damage. I would normally agree that it's better than conjecture, but not when it's so far off. The auto-attack numbers are within the 1-2 point variation he mentions, but the WS damage is way off.

    While my hat's off to Valk and all the theorycrafting work he does, we should all admit that his page is out of date. . .
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    Last edited by Viridiana; 10-05-2013 at 07:56 AM.

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    He is assuming DEX and STR are interchangeable, unless he did not post his findings that they are.

    Edit: It's probably a safe assumption, and it is better than nothing, but I wouldn't treat it like he had tested it.
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