Botters

[Kaisersose]

People have changed in the age of the internet, it's all me me me, and very few people give 2 monkeys about anyone else around them in virtual worlds. This is why I have never cared about botting, I am not so wrapped up that I should have to worry. Crime happens in the real world, rules get broken in the virtual one, but the world keeps turning and life goes on.

I may be mistaken here, but are you trying to say that the age of the internets has changed to more selfish view or a "me me me" mentality? furthermore you say that "very few people give 2 monkeys about anyone else around them in virtual worlds." and because of people not caring about anyone else around them you, therefore you don't care about botting?

So your saying that the internet has turned into a selfish place where people don't care about others and because of this you are going to take the same approach? that seems like a pretty poor attitude to me... "because everyone else doesn't care, I am going to not care..."

it is easier for one to understand your view on botting with this kind of outlook on the game.

You may not care about the botters, you may be laid back or "chilled out" but I hate to break it to you bro, but people do care about the game and the players in it. so your comments about vigilantes amuses ME! I would rather be the person trying to make the game more enjoyable and fair for EVERYONE than the person who is "chilled out" and doesn't care because "very few people give 2 monkeys about anyone else around them in virtual worlds."

oh btw, the names Kaisersose Lionguard.

[Vahzl]

Why are people so up in arms about my lacklustre response to this? I haven't ever said I support or like botting, but in the same vein, I don't care about it as much as some people stating things like "They are everywhere", "This is getting out of control" and "The servers are flooded with them". These people are seeing one group of RMT and then throwing up mental claims that they are drowning in a sea of them.

All I ask is that people take some perspective and stop trying to act like it's the end of the world. If this is really your biggest issue, then I feel sorry for you.

Also when you get to the point where you are commenting on my current class levels and jobs, then you are running out of points to make. How do you know that I don't have all 8 slots filled with rank 50 DoL and DoH classes? How do you know this is my main character? What next, you are going to comment on my spelling and grammar too?

[Kaisersose]

Why are people so up in arms about my lacklustre response to this? I haven't ever said I support or like botting,...All I ask is that people take some perspective and stop trying to act like it's the end of the world. If this is really your biggest issue, then I feel sorry for you.

The reason everyone is "up in arms" is because you're down playing a major problem in the game. Botting is a PROBLEM! whether you care or not, thats your opinion/problem but for the rest of us we do care. this thread is a question towards SE if they know about the botters and if they are going to do something about it.

Also no one is really making it seem like it's the end of the world.

we are not tryin to troll you or flame you, we are just disagreeing with you and providing evidance why your claims may not be as valuable.

All we want is for SE to let us know they know!

[Vahzl]

The reason everyone is "up in arms" is because you're down playing a major problem in the game. Botting is a PROBLEM! whether you care or not, thats your opinion/problem but for the rest of us we do care. this thread is a question towards SE if they know about the botters and if they are going to do something about it.

Also no one is really making it seem like it's the end of the world.

we are not tryin to troll you or flame you, we are just disagreeing with you and providing evidance why your claims may not be as valuable.

All we want is for SE to let us know they know!

You are asking if SE are aware of botting. I am sorry, and I really don't mean to sound offensive here, but you cannot be that stupid. Of course they are aware of them, they have the STF in place for this very reason. Posting on a forum about an issue that has been in games since I can remember isn't going to change it, all it will do is add another wall of text to the already massive wall of text about this pointless subject.

Yes botting exists, yes it sucks, but it is like telling the police there is crime (non specific, just running up to one and going ARE YOU AWARE CRIME EXISTS). They are in that job for the very reason to prevent it, now every country has police, and every country still has crime, therefore, by your reasoning, the police do nothing at all and aren't aware of any crime.

Please, at least try to use the grey matter.

[Shinigami]

You are asking if SE are aware of botting. I am sorry, and I really don't mean to sound offensive here, but you cannot be that stupid. Of course they are aware of them, they have the STF in place for this very reason. Posting on a forum about an issue that has been in games since I can remember isn't going to change it, all it will do is add another wall of text to the already massive wall of text about this pointless subject.

Yes botting exists, yes it sucks, but it is like telling the police there is crime (non specific, just running up to one and going ARE YOU AWARE CRIME EXISTS). They are in that job for the very reason to prevent it, now every country has police, and every country still has crime, therefore, by your reasoning, the police do nothing at all and aren't aware of any crime.

Please, at least try to use the grey matter.

Please dont ask anybody for good manners or speak about arrogance after this one:
quote: "Please, at least try to use the grey matter."

Yeah ok Vahzl i think we got youre point. From your point of view botting is not an issue and you dont mind it. That wall is only getting massive because of your own comment. If somebody dealing drug in your street you are the type of guy that says bahhh its cool I dont mind it, so its your own choice and i am not to discuss that. But I am the one that gonna ask the police if they plan to get rid of the scum.

"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing" (Edmund Burke)

[Kaisersose]

Alright Vahzl, You have made your point. To each is their own. I just want a hint towards whether or not SE is going to do something about it. I never meant to start an argument. I believe this thread has come to its end. I suppose we will just have to wait and see whether the botters get banned or what not.

[Vahzl]

Alright Vahzl, You have made your point. To each is their own. I just want a hint towards whether or not SE is going to do something about it. I never meant to start an argument. I believe this thread has come to its end. I suppose we will just have to wait and see whether the botters get banned or what not.

I am not trying to argue, the point is the STF are advertised on the official site as doing exactly what you are asking. Why do you need further confirmation in a forum post?

This thread is giving me a migraine.

[Shinigami]

I am not trying to argue, the point is the STF are advertised on the official site as doing exactly what you are asking. Why do you need further confirmation in a forum post?

This thread is giving me a migraine.

OMG allrigth allright vahzl i did point out that i realized there was a similar post in general discussion, all the rest was pretty much answering to youre own post. So allright you know what, botters are cool and we are all stupid for not thinking the same way you do..... are we cool now??? are you gonna post once again your oppinion with no solid argumentation what so ever? i mean if that thread giving you the migraine just do yourself a favor would you?

[tragic]

Bots use to directly impact more when the game first came out. It use to be that you had competition with bots on mobs to grind ranks. I think their main purpose was to farm shards as it use to be the most effective way to farm shards. Then the fish to crystal synths where introduced and that effectively got the bots off the mobs and into their crafting corners. I hardly run into any gathering bots. Perhaps I am not looking hard enough. The bots on lindblum seem to stick to just shards/crystals. As someone that has been reluctant to spend gil I find it nice to look at hundred of stacks of shards cheaply priced. All the shards ill need for R50 blacksmith is going to come in at under 15 million. Instead of spending 60ish hours hasty handing the shards I need to be a cheap skate I can buy shards from the RMT bots at what I consider a more than fair price. Perhaps I am being short sighted but for now they seem to be helping me more than they are hurting me. Without the shard bots I can not imagine how expensive shards would be. Would we all be spending our time making shards to support crafting?

What I found interesting was that lodestone post. It was to the effect of, we know people are botting and you better cut it out before shit happens. Well, I haven't seen SE follow through on that threat. If they did we would perhaps see less players taking advantage of botting.

[Tiraelina]

I am not trying to argue, the point is the STF are advertised on the official site as doing exactly what you are asking. Why do you need further confirmation in a forum post?

This thread is giving me a migraine.

GM's don't roam the world getting rid of bots in their spare time, they investigate players that are reported. Automated systems also barely catch anything because they don't want to autoban legit players. If you think it works any other way you should try finding someone that works as a full time GM or takes part in the development of these games.

Reporting is the backbone to the system. You don't know what you are talking about.