Botters

[Galadrios]

I really do not understand how you guys can say that craft botters are harmless... When you work hard to grind your crafting ranks the sense of achievement hitting 50 is great and all but when you start seeing people undercutting you on all your products cause they actually did bot their ranks and so do not care about undervaluing their product, it gets really annoying.
Shinni is right, people are really starting to do it out in the light, in the middle of Uldah. What should I think when I see someone breaking shards in the same spot for more than 20 hours straight and then sitting there doing nothing for another 10 (out of mats)? If he is not botting surely he must have a hell of a lot of patience...

I am still hoping SE is keeping a record of it and will act on this issue one day once they have settled more urgent matters.

[Vahzl]

It just never bothered me that much Galadrios. I always just get on with my own thing, and enjoy my game, earning rewards and grinding etc. Botters can be part of their little underworld, but I am not wrapped up in it enough to bother myself with them.

It is the vigilante approach that amuses me. Same as people who report players to GM's, not because they are offended or upset, but because they see any opportunity to make a little drama. People have changed in the age of the internet, it's all me me me, and very few people give 2 monkeys about anyone else around them in virtual worlds. This is why I have never cared about botting, I am not so wrapped up that I should have to worry. Crime happens in the real world, rules get broken in the virtual one, but the world keeps turning and life goes on.

[Tiraelina]

You isolate yourself from the rest world and play a single player RPG on an MMO and claim bots aren't causing problems? Go figure.

[Galadrios]

I surely appreciate your chilled out approach, I did not mean to attack or anything. I was getting all upset by botters at first but I finally I have come to the same conclusion: it is not our job to deal with them, it is SE's. The best we can do is just ignore.

[Vahzl]

You isolate yourself from the rest world and play a single player RPG on an MMO and claim bots aren't causing problems? Go figure.

You are part of the problem, you could not have miss-quoted me further there. You won't see the whole picture when you are reluctant to discuss something like a grown up. I didn't say I play alone, I said I get on with my own thing. I am in a fantastic LS and we do alot of stuff together, and support each other well. Please read more carefully when you are misjudging someone.

[Vahzl]

I surely appreciate your chilled out approach, I did not mean to attack or anything. I was getting all upset by botters at first but I finally I have come to the same conclusion: it is not our job to deal with them, it is SE's. The best we can do is just ignore.

I didn't mean to imply you attacked me - I am very chilled out indeed, as these are just non-issues to me. I literally just get on with my own stuff, (by which I mean not worrying about botters etc, not soloing an MMO as Tiraelina so wonderfully misquoted). The only people that really find botters in games are the ones that are out on a vendetta to stop them. Do I like them? No I don't, but do I care? Not at all.

[Tiraelina]

No actually my friends and I are part of the solution making life as difficult as possible for bots. If you just watch a bot and don't report it you and others like that are part of the problem, also failing to realise most of the systems rely on them being reported. Clearly only people that don't have lives and nothing better to do have time to take a minute to report it.

Brings me back to your previous post about exploiting them. Undercutting an RMT isn't making it harder for them in fact you are making it easier because they will more than likely resell it for a profit leaving yourself at disadvantage.

All you've been doing is downplaying the effect bots have with no idea what problems they are causing and even go as far to state they are the economy. You don't care about whats going on in the world, others do.

[Vahzl]

No actually my friends and I are part of the solution making life as difficult as possible for bots. If you just watch a bot and don't report it you and others like that are part of the problem, also failing to realise most of the systems rely on them being reported. Clearly only people that don't have lives and nothing better to do have time to take a minute to report it.

Brings me back to your previous post about exploiting them. Undercutting an RMT isn't making it harder for them in fact you are making it easier because they will more than likely resell it for a profit leaving yourself at disadvantage.

All you've been doing is downplaying the effect bots have with no idea what problems they are causing and even go as far to state they are the economy. You don't care about whats going on in the world, others do.

Please stop incorrectly telling me what I am and what I am not thinking. You do not know me from Adam, and your arrogance is insulting. You assume you know how these systems work, without any evidence or proof to work from. You are not the police, nor would I hope you ever become part of the force. Stop acting like the world ends with you.

[Shinigami]

Please stop incorrectly telling me what I am and what I am not thinking. You do not know me from Adam, and your arrogance is insulting. You assume you know how these systems work, without any evidence or proof to work from. You are not the police, nor would I hope you ever become part of the force. Stop acting like the world ends with you.

You shouldnt talk about arrogance while you are the one who started lacking of respect to Tiraelina and i quote " you are reluctant to discuss something like a grown up." who is arrogant there? Maybe for all you know Tiraelina is married and have kids youre age.

As for the main discussion the main idea of this thread was to know if SE was planning to do anything on botters, i associate their silence with a negative answer. Oh and yeah botter dont annoy you right, thats might be because youre highest craft is alchemy 18, someting i can reach in a single day. And absolutely no gathering class, gathering classes are the most affected by botters, how would you like to be a fisher trying to sell your fish while some other dude have 4 botter fishing tirelessly all day and all night, making 7mil/day. You said that eorzea is not overruned by botters, that might be because youre just a level 32 and you are with a beginners linkshell. Dont get me wrong i have all respect for casual players but you didnt see what i saw. Join the largest linkshell of your world....oh wait they wont accept you, develope a DoL and they will accept you on the spot, you know why? Because they need people to feed their botters. I know personally somebody that have only to his account 3 fishing bots keep fishing all day and night, i personally know a linkshell with over 15 people botting, i could actually put names on every single one of those 15.

I perfectly understand why a level 32 thaumaturge and a lvl 0 DoL is not affected by the people botting. I personally have a lvl 45 DoH and a lvl 40 DoL and i dont see the thing the same way you do

[Radaghast]

I really do not understand how you guys can say that craft botters are harmless... When you work hard to grind your crafting ranks the sense of achievement hitting 50 is great and all but when you start seeing people undercutting you on all your products cause they actually did bot their ranks and so do not care about undervaluing their product, it gets really annoying.
Shinni is right, people are really starting to do it out in the light, in the middle of Uldah. What should I think when I see someone breaking shards in the same spot for more than 20 hours straight and then sitting there doing nothing for another 10 (out of mats)? If he is not botting surely he must have a hell of a lot of patience...

I am still hoping SE is keeping a record of it and will act on this issue one day once they have settled more urgent matters.

Any product that isn't HQ is going to be pretty much worthless the more time goes on. Even HQ's will be because there is no system in place to take out anything coming into the market. Won't just be bots that destroy it, but old age..

The only thing that will be worth anything will be rare craft drops ala FFXI, if they go that route.