Botters

[Jinko]

Any tips on how to find evidences? only evidence i got so far is crafter not responding to tells and some of them admited using 3rd party programs

TBH I for one don't particularly like responding to someone when crafting or fishing, that doesn't instantly make me a bot though does it ? lol

That's not enough reason to assume someone is a bot.

It is not your job to catch botters it is SE's they need to add software to detect people using 3rd party applications and then make a list of 3rd party applications which are against the rules.

Even then they have to be careful because banning someone for listening to music in windows media player is not guna win them any favour.

[Vahzl]

TBH I for one don't particularly like responding to someone when crafting or fishing, that doesn't instantly make me a bot though does it ? lol

That's not enough reason to assume someone is a bot.

It is not your job to catch botters it is SE's they need to add software to detect people using 3rd party applications and then make a list of 3rd party applications which are against the rules.

Even then they have to be careful because banning someone for listening to music in windows media player is not guna win them any favour.

This is my problem too, people are all up in arms when they see one, but why? What difference does it make. You aren't going to change the world by reporting one, as in the case of RMT, one goes down, 2 more take their place in seconds. Best to just be like me and exploit the hell out of the RMT's, such as forcefully undercutting items to force their silly bots to purchase your stuff for stupidly over the top prices.

The smart person doesn't point at it and cry, the smart person takes advantage of it.

[Shinigami]

This is my problem too, people are all up in arms when they see one, but why? What difference does it make. You aren't going to change the world by reporting one, as in the case of RMT, one goes down, 2 more take their place in seconds. Best to just be like me and exploit the hell out of the RMT's, such as forcefully undercutting items to force their silly bots to purchase your stuff for stupidly over the top prices.

The smart person doesn't point at it and cry, the smart person takes advantage of it.

Its not about being smart its about fairplay

[Vahzl]

Its not about being smart its about fairplay

If you ever cheated at Sonic the Hedgehog, or other games, then it really doesn't matter.

[Tiraelina]

I have this opinion that if you don't want to actually play a game you shouldn't be playing it, rather than stupidity like have a program play for you. RMT on the other hand is making a profit from the people that don't want to play the game yet won't go far enough to be botting but are willing to pay others IRL Funbucks that bot to do the grunt work for them.

In XIV's case it doesn't give any help in that area by being heavily bot friendly with more straight grinding than older Korean MMO's.

[Shinigami]

If you ever cheated at Sonic the Hedgehog, or other games, then it really doesn't matter.

Cheating while youre playing a game alone dosent matter, cheating while youre with others does matter. You can cheat all you want playing solitair, try cheating poker and get caught people will have your skin. Obviously i am talking to a botter

[Vahzl]

Cheating while youre playing a game alone dosent matter, cheating while youre with others does matter. You can cheat all you want playing solitair, try cheating poker and get caught people will have your skin. Obviously i am talking to a botter

No you aren't, you are talking to someone who has seen this passive aggressive attitude too often. You are bored and have started to want to act like a vigilante, as you have nothing else to do. Trust me, you people are a dime a dozen, and I assure you SE have systems in place to remove these players, the problem being, the only limitation is making a new account, which costs next to nothing, and they probably have hundreds of them just waiting to be levelled en masse.

You are pointing the blame at the wrong source, as it isn't something you can fix just by pulling a big red lever.

[Galadrios]

I really do not understand how you guys can say that craft botters are harmless... When you work hard to grind your crafting ranks the sense of achievement hitting 50 is great and all but when you start seeing people undercutting you on all your products cause they actually did bot their ranks and so do not care about undervaluing their product, it gets really annoying.
Shinni is right, people are really starting to do it out in the light, in the middle of Uldah. What should I think when I see someone breaking shards in the same spot for more than 20 hours straight and then sitting there doing nothing for another 10 (out of mats)? If he is not botting surely he must have a hell of a lot of patience...

I am still hoping SE is keeping a record of it and will act on this issue one day once they have settled more urgent matters.

[twinkles]

Yeah when i grind crafts/synths i hardly respond to random people ranking up or saying hey that i don't know. The reason for this is A) chatting while crafting is very clunky, B) crafting takes long enough as it is without adding additional time having to stop and talk to random people.

This does not make people bots it simply makes them efficient crafters.