Could I take a moment of your time (WHM related)

[TeaTimeBear]

As stated by the topic I'm a WHM and I love the job. I try to do my best by making sure my equipment is up to par and using all of my abilities at my disposal. But now I just don't know if I've been playing the job right. See since I got regen I usually use it while the Tank is fighting pulled trash and put stone skin on him/her. I thought that was the norm as I've never had mobs run towards me unless they were woken up from repose but after reading that thread I just don't know anymore.


I came across posts about casting regen at the wrong time or before a pull.. " my god " I thought.. as I am completely guilty of this and no one said anything. My entire Aurem Vale run yesterday I was using regen like a fool making the tanks job twice as hard and I feel bad. But then another person said they regen all the time with no issues.

I was watching the colored shapes next to the mob. And I didn't see much red. If I did I'd shroud to take away the hate. The bosses also didn't aggro me and our tank said the run was smooth. So really I'm confused and hoping someone can provide so enlightenment. I'd rather break the habit now than later.

[Korbei]

Regen pulls hate with every tick of healing. If the tank has Regen on when a group of mobs are pulled, anything with an orange name will turn on the WHM as soon as the next tick of Regen hits. In my opinion, this is a tank issue more than a healer issue.

Ideally you want to wait until all names are red before using Regen but if it's already up when the tank makes the next pull, there's nothing you can do. That is typically where issues arise.

If you're in a boss fight with repeated add spawns, using Regen can be ill-advised.

[Shaone]

I think it's when Regen ticks it counts as a heal from you, but would be interesting to hear it confirmed. Not sure whether it still counts if tank is on full HP (e.g. stoneskin absorbing damage from the pull). I guess it's easy to test, as the mob hate list should come up at the first tick of Regen, as opposed to when you first cure.

[Huxer]

Building initial threat on a group of mobs IS a problem for a paladin I know. I'd rather you didn't cast rejuv on me before i pull since i'm going to have to work around the global cooldown to 'touch' each of the mobs individually. Having said that, there's little chance I'm going to complain about your rejuv out of a sense of pride although I probably don't really like it.

[Devilair]

Building initial threat on a group of mobs IS a problem for a paladin I know. I'd rather you didn't cast rejuv on me before i pull since i'm going to have to work around the global cooldown to 'touch' each of the mobs individually. Having said that, there's little chance I'm going to complain about your rejuv out of a sense of pride although I probably don't really like it.

I usud to find it extremely annoying as well, then i remembered i can remove buffs right clicking them, problem solved xD

[Taika]

When the regen is on someone who has the monster engaged, you get enmity from every tick of HP the regen gives them, even if they wouldn't be taking any damage. If the tank has regen on while pulling, it's your regen against their actions on monsters, and if there are more than one monster, as soon as the tank has touched one the others will head your way. Casting regen before the tank is taking damage is basically useless enmity for you and can mess the pull.

What I do is I try to cast stoneskin just before the end of each fight so that tank has it ready for next pull (as you said you were doing too). That gives them time to get some enmity before you have to use any healing abilities. However, you have to be careful with timing stoneskin too, as if it lands just after tank has pulled, the linking monsters will again head your way.

You shouldn't feel stupid about this at all, it's a very common mistake healers do when they're trying to keep everyone buffed and think ahead for the next fight. Unfortunately it just works like this.

[Devilair]

It's just about when the tick pops.

That said tough, you can use regen mid pull, the tank can just remove the buff on it's onw right clicking it before the next one (at least i do that.) *shrug* not a big deal

[Aver]

I wait until the tank's done their initial hate combo (usually, when you see them pop Rage of Halone) then stick a regen on them. I'll definitely toss EfaE up the second I see that mob claimed (red) though, that's relatively hate-free.

[nekochen]

Correct me if I'm wrong.

Healers generate enmity on 50% efficiency, and it's shared across multiple mobs.
For example, regen ticks for 348, that's 174 enmity generated. If 3 mobs are pulled, that 174 enmity is shared so each would only have 58 enmity.

Tank generates enmity on 300% efficiency, so for tank to pull off a 58 enmity regen tick on 3 mobs, he would have to do 20 dmg to each. Now I'm not sure how much enmity flash generates, but could it be less than 58 enmity? Now I'm sure as heck that shield lob doesn't do 19 damage at level 50...

[TeaTimeBear]

Thank you all for the tips, I'll be sure to make good use of them.