A simple question about client<>server polling rate.

[Steeled]

So apparently SE is concerned that polling for character position too often would create server instability. Is it possible that the level of content control the polling rate? 4 man instances, even the story-mode raids could stick with .3s like it's currently set, but things like hardmodes could be set to .1s, or maybe .15s.

[Gardes]

How about just making the server do double and triple checks of player position when they're doing aoes? Most of the complaints are based on titan and he's pattern based. Seems like almost all the bosses are, anyway. Test the game based on 300-350 latency and see where the cast bar and actual attack animation differentiate and do checks on both of that. I've seen fighting games with training mode that lets you set pretend latency to let you practice the game as if you're fighting an opponent with high latency.

Or stop making boss fights based on aoe near-if-not instant kills if you're so scared of harming your cheap servers, SE. I'm sure there are other ways to compensate for the leniency.

[Wildsprite]

they could change all of this by making it so the client could poll info to the server, but it doesnt work that way. the servers poll everything at 300ms without exception which is something that only works in a slow paced game which this isnt

[Yukiko]

What about just giving the player more time to move away?
The time from Middle of AoE till end of AoE is sometimes way too close... once you start a cast and are in middle of AoE you are trapped in the 0.3s position check - server doesnt even know that you are running for your life - no prediction at all, or just awful.

Edit: Or what about stopping the OneHit mechanic of Bossfights? Seriously we are not playing an ActionRPG

[Lhun]

they could change all of this by making it so the client could poll info to the server, but it doesnt work that way. the servers poll everything at 300ms without exception which is something that only works in a slow paced game which this isnt

If you do this it allows for packet injection. I vote NO. If there is any client polling you will get situations like Phantasy Star Universe where everything can be hacked.

Duty servers should have a higher polling rate, that is all.

[mindful]

Why not just ask the other mmo companies that got the entire system understooded or hire someone. That can fixed it in a week. This has been something all the other mmos and fps games had fixed like 8 years ago. From the old Halo 2 standby glitches.

[Steeled]

Other mmos, mostly, have not been so position sensitive so position-polling rate is not an issue with them. I did not play TERA long enough to make it to endgame, so I don't know about them, and in AAA gaming, TERA is the only other MMO I've seen with positional sensitive combat like this.

That, and all tanks had counters to slight lag. Combat in Warcraft, for instance, suppressed any evidence of the issue.

If this game cloned wow's combat, noone would be complaining at all but the twisted irony (not really irony, but whatever) is that the game depends so vitally on player position and polls for it at such an infrequent rate that it can't be sure where the player actually is. Hence, you have players dying outside the "fire" on other player's screens.

[Elegance]

It feels like an online arpg gone wrong in that sense, to be frank.
Those are typically the games where the servers try to predict where you are instead of trusting the client.

[TommySmiles]

Other mmos, mostly, have not been so position sensitive so position-polling rate is not an issue with them. I did not play TERA long enough to make it to endgame, so I don't know about them, and in AAA gaming, TERA is the only other MMO I've seen with positional sensitive combat like this.

That, and all tanks had counters to slight lag in Warcraft, for instance, suppressed any evidence of the issue.

If this game cloned wow's combat, noone would be complaining at all but the twisted irony (not really irony, but whatever) is that the game depends so vitally on player position and polls for it at such an infrequent rate that it can't be sure where the player actually is. Hence, you have players dying outside the "fire" on other player's screens.

Sorry Pal, but you didn't play wow end game than. There's twice as much stuff to dodge in those end game raids than there is in this first tier of end-game content (through titan).

[Steeled]

Yes, I did. There's fire to get out of, but the stuff rarely ever oneshots, and usually, even on hardmode, isn't incredibly damaging by itself, but is a killer coupled with other fight mechanics, because they expect some reaction time.

I played during Wrath and Cata. For instance, Professor Putricide had his green ooze which you needed to get out of quickly but it didn't one shot you.

This combat, however, expects you to not take any of the damage most the time, so it's reasonable to have several one shot mechanics.

There's a difference between dodging something (before hand) and getting out it after the fact.

Heck, the final boss of Qarn poops all over Naxxramas Safety Dance.