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    C-croft's Avatar
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    Cloudcroft Ieyasu
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    Quote Originally Posted by aswedishtiger View Post
    this person pretty much owned this entire thread
    pretty much lol
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    Roy Hildenbrand
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    Gladiator Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by aswedishtiger View Post
    this person pretty much owned this entire thread
    Not really. There are plenty of instances in which you need gear no matter how good are you. Skill does not overcome every formula. Doesn't happen in real life, nor does it happen in games.

    Some bad players use gear as a crutch, but for good players it give them an even greater edge/advantage. It's the saying that hard work overcomes talent, except when a talented person works hard. Then the person without any talent but works hard gets surpassed.

    In the OP's instance I can only assume that he's trying to supplement his skill with gear not necessarily overcome his flaws with it. But then again I've never seen him play and he could be super scrubby. Or maybe he doesn't wanna be a gimped scrub that gets carried through stuff by other people.

    Using shit gear is a reflection upon the player. It means you don't want to reach the pinnacle of your potential by trying to squeeze out every advantage you can for whatever reason (time constraints, laziness, etc). I'm sure there are great olympic sprinters out there that can be very fast barefoot, but why do they wear cleats? To get a competitive edge to be the very best, that no one ever was...(gotta catch em all).

    That being said, some content can be cleared without certain things, like AK. But from what's been said you can't really clear titan hm if everyone just sported AF.
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    Last edited by Stryker; 10-03-2013 at 07:01 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stryker View Post
    Not really. There are plenty of instances in which you need gear no matter how good are you. Skill does not overcome every formula. Doesn't happen in real life, nor does it happen in games.

    Some bad players use gear as a crutch, but for good players it give them an even greater edge/advantage. It's the saying that hard work overcomes talent, except when a talented person works hard. Then the person without any talent but works hard gets surpassed.

    In the OP's instance I can only assume that he's trying to supplement his skill with gear not necessarily overcome his flaws with it. But then again I've never seen him play and he could be super scrubby. Or maybe he doesn't wanna be a gimped scrub that gets carried through stuff by other people.

    Using shit gear is a reflection upon the player. It means you don't want to reach the pinnacle of your potential by trying to squeeze out every advantage you can for whatever reason (time constraints, laziness, etc). I'm sure there are great olympic sprinters out there that can be very fast barefoot, but why do they wear cleats? To get a competitive edge to be the very best, that no one ever was...(gotta catch em all).

    That being said, some content can be cleared without certain things, like AK. But from what's been said you can't really clear titan hm if everyone just sported AF.
    What you said. But having people demand over gearing content to do said content is ridiculous. And you can't pretend that you haven't seen demands or comments regarding this. Obviously you can't challenge Titan HM in AF, but it's obvious you do not need DL and relic to do AK either.
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    Player ilJumperMT's Avatar
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    Skadi Frostborn
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    Moogle
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    I did full relic quest including Titan on my bard using Amdapor Keep rings with 2 AF parts (Gloves and Boots) and GC Weapon. Lets not mention I never died during titan because I know the mechanics.

    Amdapor Keep is easy. You can do it wearing lvl 46ish white. I actually run it in lvl 46+ whites just to spirit bind.
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    Roy Hildenbrand
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    I understand that. But, I feel like theres so much hate in this thread about the OP being stupid for trying to make sure he's properly equipped. Granted he spent more time than most of us would, but it's his use of time and he's doing what many people don't/refuse to do which is properly gear up.

    Whether we like it or not, tanks are usually held to higher standards gear wise. As long as other classes have X HP or X Dps, the rest of their gear doesn't come under as much scrutiny. But for tanks dmg mitigation and hp is based on armor, and enmity producing skills are based on our weapons. Especially in speed runs in which flash is used pretty extensively due to how speed runs are ran. That was all I was trying to point out.
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    Aephym Eclipse
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    The range system really should not be a necessary roadblock to progression, even if it is passable, your choice is to either get lucky off one of the primals, or save money for an i70 Green. The best way this could be resolved would just be through adding an additional weapon upgrade, say ilvl 65 Green which requires tomes, this allows for multiple play styles of boss hunting to CM farm to all be viable ways of obtaining gear.
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    Zen Endymion
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    Quote Originally Posted by dontcare View Post
    Entirely your problem. Ifrit weapon is not required to progress the relic weapon quest, you have no one to blame for your lost time but yourself.
    this is true

    OP, your iLv55 GC weapon is enough to progress your relic, up until garuda at least
    as for Titan, yes you'll need higher level weapon, especially for DPS

    or, you could just farm gil and buy iLv 70 giantsgall weapon from the market
    in a week, you can earn more than 1 million farming CM

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    Faith Aeternam
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frozenkingk0 View Post
    I agree with your point and I have no problem continuing the relic quest, however I fail to see how I am going to hold agro on a boss (as I have tried countless times with optimal eminity increasing abilities) with only my level 55 green scimitar when other party member will have Primal weps, or even relic weapons.
    You honestly think a +5ilvl weapon is going to make or break your ability to hold aggro?
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    Odsarzol Que
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    Balmung
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    Arcanist Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by dontcare View Post
    You honestly think a +5ilvl weapon is going to make or break your ability to hold aggro?
    It does in this game, yes. In 1.x it was all on your gear, not just weapon - SE got rid of specialized stats like +/- enmity.
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    Faith Aeternam
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tupsi View Post
    It does in this game, yes. In 1.x it was all on your gear, not just weapon - SE got rid of specialized stats like +/- enmity.
    GC weapon -> Ifrit weapon
    Damage: 38 -> 39
    Strength: 11 -> 13

    Let me ask again, do you honestly think +1 damage and +2 strength is going to be the difference between holding and not holding aggro?
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