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  1. #71
    Player
    Stryker's Avatar
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    Roy Hildenbrand
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    Hyperion
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    Gladiator Lv 50
    What is wrong with the people on this thread. The guy is talking about the actual problem with RNG in this game. He's trying to do the right thing as a PLD which is to make sure his sword is up to date before he continues with the content since HM Ifrit is accessible as a fresh 50.

    People complain about gimped individuals all the time and this guy is taking steps to rectify the problem on his part but is held back due to RNG. I did 30 ifrit runs to get my sword and only saw it pop twice. It's a terrible system because it probably doesn't trim the outliers like in this case.

    People saying they got their weapon quickly or the OP could do higher level instances instead is all hindsight. He didn't think it would require that many runs to get his Ifrit sword.

    Also for those that "hold hate" with a crap weapon, that's complete BS or you're not doing speed runs. When other people have primal weapons or relic you can't do shit against that. Any + to damage is important as a PLD since your enmity is based on your weapon not your armor. Armor helps your survival which in most cases isn't a problem due to skills and the fact that you have a healer. He's not doing Titan HM so he doesn't need to have the top armor right now, but a weapon is important to complete speed runs and tanking.

    I did plenty of Speed runs with a PLD who had his lvl 50 GC weapon, it sucks compared to the ifrit weapon. He had full DL gear and yet he couldn't tank due to the fact that my weapon created more enmity using the same skills.

    I personally applaud this guy for trying to go through the proper steps in order to make sure hes properly geared before trying to do other content in which people complain about gimps. So to you sir I tip my imaginary hat for trying to do the right thing.

    That being said, after 205 runs I would just say screw it and doing CM runs and do garuda and try that out instead of Ifrit. You'll probably have better luck with that after being shafted by Ifrit for so long.
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  2. #72
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    Mujen Whisperfall
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    Ridill
    Main Class
    Conjurer Lv 50
    All the people telling this guy it's his problem and he was dumb for doing 205 runs, he should have gone for relic.. just goes to show how messed up: A) some of the community is & B) the way the game is designed... Relic in ver.1 meant something.. now the "best" weapon in the game is easier & more common and can simply upgrade +1 with short time. So basically the game should be setup so everyone has full DL + relic, save up some myth and +1.. and then what's left? It's all linear.. What if he just thought ifrit weapon looked cool and he wanted to feel a sense of progression. Seriously you should wrk your way upto a relic, not have it be that easily obtained. Might as well make gear all skins since everyone basically has the same stats.
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  3. #73
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    Kayo Vedo
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    Adamantoise
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    Archer Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by Aoshi1 View Post
    Token system just might work, and I, for one, think it's a great idea! Hoping something comes down, I still haven't seen my lance, yet I have clannies that have gone and said they had it drop 3 times in one day, and of course there were no dragoons to roll a need for it, go figure.
    Or they can fix the obviously broken drop rates. Making all weapons have the same chance at dropping maybe? Or some "crazy" efficient system that omits any drops for classes that arent present during a fight making it a 12.5% chance for anyone in the instance, not 0.5. Maybe even split the drops to where they drop from different content, that way the chances are even higher.

    No no thats just too silly for the games designers.

    Regardless, ANYTHING is better than some 'losers trophy' token system. I want to play the dungeon and feel the anticipation and excitement of not knowing whether or not ill finally have my weapon upgrade... not some idiotic monotonous countdown to how many more runs I need to do before I walk to some NPC to buy it.
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    Last edited by Kayo; 10-03-2013 at 02:08 AM.

  4. #74
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    Ryios Locke
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    Coeurl
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    Gladiator Lv 68
    Imo, everything should be a token system. Bosses dropping gear is just silly. What they should do is have your GC hold all of the gear. Then create a token system for each tier of dungeon content (15-20, 21-30, 31-40, 41-50), Then make a token for each primal on normal and another token for each primal on hard. Then a Token for BC and another for Crystal Tower. Keep myth and philo the way it is. Then when you do Ifirit X Times for Y amount of tokens you can trade them in to your GC for the weapon of your choice.

    This would prevent the need for a greed/need/pass system (solving all of those current problems) and allow people to get gear for their off classes when they are on their main class. This would also remove the need for EPGP/DKP systems.

    To make such system work they could make the tokens partial. E.g. everyone gets X tokens, but someone who wins the roll gets Y More of them. And IMO, the tokens should drop based on multiplier's. E.g. Have goals on each boss fight and if all of them are meant you get the max multiplier. E.g. Imagine AK's first boss (-Kill the boss in under 5 minutes, -Take 0 dmg from avoidable AOE -Kill the priest before the summon) if you do one goal its X1, if you get two you get double tokens, or something like that.
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    Last edited by Ryios; 10-03-2013 at 02:14 AM.

  5. #75
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    Xenor Vernix
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    Ragnarok
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    Thaumaturge Lv 50
    There are ilevel 70 crafted weapons. It's faster to farm the gil to buy these than it is to get primal weapons, unless you get lucky with the latter.
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    FFXIV: ARR item database, ability lists, maps, guides, dungeon loot lists and more. - http://www.ffxivinfo.com

  6. #76
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    Molly_Millions's Avatar
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    Molly Millions
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    Balmung
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    Marauder Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by Sethys View Post
    Well, tell that to all the elitist snobs out there who demand that people meet their insane standards.
    don't play with them then, make your own group.
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  7. #77
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    Ozric Oak
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    Balmung
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    Gladiator Lv 20
    I've had a near identical experience as the OP, except that A.) my numbers were smaller and B.) I've given up sooner. So kudos to you for still trying

    I take no pleasure in grinding out SE's poorly designed item-drop mechanics. I can just see how this is going to go in the months ahead, and I have no interest in it all. I need to find another MMO, or follow the FFXIV news updates to watch for a dramatic improvement.

    I'll admit I am a bit biased, I'm a bit embittered by the way they handled RME in FFXI, and FFXIV is clearly going down the same path - I'm glad I got out early in FFXIV. I quit FFXI for the same shift from horizontal to vertical gear progression. I played FFXI for 10+ years.

    Good luck to those of you who enjoy blind random luck, month after month.

    In case you wondered what my FFXI character was:
    http://www.ffxiah.com/player/Bahamut/Oakozric

    The question is... what MMO? I can't stand WoW, too cartoony, and FFXI is junk now too
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  8. #78
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    Nimrod Dragneel
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    Odin
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    Gladiator Lv 50
    Well u can do Titan as Tank with a GC wpn, don´t know why OP is a tryhard? U will get Relic after Titan anyways. Better use your time for DL Gear from AK and u are good to go.
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  9. #79
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    Ryios Locke
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    Coeurl
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    Gladiator Lv 68
    Imo this game is fine, it just needs to go through normal patch balancing. No game at launch or close to launch is perfect.
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  10. #80
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    Tonup Coheed
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    Hyperion
    Main Class
    Pugilist Lv 50
    It is better than 1.0 (which is not saying much), some of us had to suffer through no drops other than dark matter or weapons dropping to random members who do not even play that job. That being said, I applaud the op for being so persistent, but I would move on to Garuda and hope for better luck.
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