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  1. #1
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    Frozenkingk0's Avatar
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    Celestia Megumi
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    Mateus
    Main Class
    Gladiator Lv 70

    30 days almost up and I still can't enter endgame due to droprate

    [TL;DR I have had 1 paladin sword dropped in 205 Ifrit Hard Mode kills. I don't feel geared enough to continue my relic weapon quest with my level 55 green scimitar.]

    Hey Guys,

    I reached level 50 Paladin a little more than two weeks ago, and have been taking on Ifrit hard mode on a daily basis. I have run the boss 10-15 times a day, which have totaled a whopping 205 runs. I recorded all my drops since I started, as my friend also seemed to have had trouble getting their specific item drop.

    Here are the results:
    Warrior Axe: 61 (29.8%)
    Scholar's Codex: 42 (20.5%)
    Arcanist's Grimoire: 35 (17.1%)
    Monk's Arm: 28 (13.7%)
    Black Mage's Cudgel: 13 (6.3%)
    Dragoons lance: 12 (5.9%)
    Bard's Bow: 8 (4%)
    White Mage's Staff: 5 (2.4%)
    Paladins Sword: 1 (0.5%)
    Now, the fact that I even saw the Paladins Sword, and rolled a need and got 2 is beside the point. The problem I have is this: I have basically mastered this boss fight, attack patterns and all. I have run this with varying parties, such as 6 dps, 1 healer and 1 tank, where I both tank and stun Ifrit, and even going with 5 dps, 2 healers, 1 tank where 1 healer goes cleric stance and dps's for the first half of fight until nails. The best time my party could reach with average level 50 gear was 8 minutes 53 seconds.

    I have created numerous parties from having one person of each class in the party to test my theory that if you have varying classes, at least someone will be able to obtain their desired weapon. This did prove to be the case, and the party agreed to rotate out if they got their weapon drop to allow somebody else into the pre-made party to have a chance for their weapon drop as well. It was noted that there was a difference in the usual drop rates, however it returned to its basic pattern of dropping an axe for example, when our Warrior left and we couldn't find another one so we had to use a paladin.

    I conclude that I feel as though I have successfully wasted two weeks of my subscription fighting Ifrit hard mode just to progress with end game content. A simple fix to this problem may be implementing a token system similar to the tome system currently in place to obtain your weapon, or to even have a vendor let you trade in two other weapons from a different class for your own class specific weapon.

    Thanks for reading guys, and may the light of the twelve shine bright upon you.
    SEpls.

    EDIT:
    Quite soon after posting this thread, I went in and started my relic quest and I am up to Titan Hard mode. I am yet to defeat Titan, however I am using my level 55 GC weapon. I have given up on continuing my quest to obtain Ifrit's blade as I now believe it is not for me.

    To those people who commented on this thread completely hating on me: I would not have run Ifrit over 200 times if I knew I would not be able to obtain the sword. I went into this with the mentality that there is RNG in the game, and that EVENTUALLY I would have been able to obtain the sword.
    Furthermore, ANY damage increase in a sword assists generating eminity, no matter how small the increase may be.

    My goal in this game is to become one of the best paladin's on my server, and assist people throughout the server on any problems that they have running dungeons. Due to this, I went out today and purchased the last 60 day time card at my local gamestop to achieve my goal.

    Thanks to everyone who has supported me, and enjoy your days in Eorzea
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    Last edited by Frozenkingk0; 10-03-2013 at 06:44 PM.

  2. #2
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    Aoshi1's Avatar
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    Aoshi Rasetsu
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    Hyperion
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    Lancer Lv 60
    Token system just might work, and I, for one, think it's a great idea! Hoping something comes down, I still haven't seen my lance, yet I have clannies that have gone and said they had it drop 3 times in one day, and of course there were no dragoons to roll a need for it, go figure.
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    Meliae's Avatar
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    Meliae Rivanhart
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    Odin
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    Conjurer Lv 60
    well we used to have individual weapons for each player in party, they had their own chest to open at the end of fight, you would get one of 3 options, 1 was weapon, 2 was the token needed to buy the weapon from the oldman, 3 was empty/gil/coins, but what you got most of time was weapons that you already had, there have had been times where people would go 4/5 times same weapon but since they already had it they would not be able to pick it... or other party members getting what you need and you getting what they needed, but I think this is better way having only 1 weapon at the end of it, or you could hope that they add in tokens back again, where you go and buy the weapon but that needed 15-20 tokens in V1 but they were tradeable, so you could have you fc member get the token for people who need it...
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    Faith Aeternam
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    Arcanist Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by Frozenkingk0 View Post
    I agree with your point and I have no problem continuing the relic quest, however I fail to see how I am going to hold agro on a boss (as I have tried countless times with optimal eminity increasing abilities) with only my level 55 green scimitar when other party member will have Primal weps, or even relic weapons.
    You honestly think a +5ilvl weapon is going to make or break your ability to hold aggro?
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    Mikedizzy's Avatar
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    Rain Arrows
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    Behemoth
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    Bard Lv 60
    I have made this comment in another thread but I want to say it again. It should NOT take pure luck to get your weapon. If you are skilled enough to beat Ifrit so many times...you should get it. You poor people that are fighting him a rediculous amount of times I feel bad for you and really hope I don't have that happen to me, but with my luck I will never get my bow. Hopefully SE takes a look at this and makes this more FAIR.

    If I have to fight the SOB 100 times or more I may break my controller. LOL
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    Playing since Beta phase 3

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    Jeronlmo's Avatar
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    Jeronlmo Sai
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    Hyperion
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    Conjurer Lv 50
    I've told many people this same thing, it is literally easier to get a relic than try to get any specific relic weapon from any of the primals.
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    Sixteen's Avatar
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    Aeria Scarlet
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    Ultros
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    Marauder Lv 50
    RNG is RNG, I got 50 on my PLD today and got the weapon in my frist Ifrit run. It's not required for you to get relic.
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    Wouldn't a melded Giantsgall do you well as well? Not on the up and up of weapons these days.
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    UBERHAXED's Avatar
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    Seraph Khalid
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    Faerie
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    Summoner Lv 60
    I think it's rather fair that people who have to wait hours to get into a dungeon have a higher rate of drop for their weapon. Bragging that you are able to do content 205 times in 2 weeks just because you have a fast queue (or is an a premade) is not helping your case. Of course I'd had more gladiator swords drop in my runs and still no bow, even though I've done both garuda and titan enough times to get the bows for both of theirs. Random is random.
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    Cecilia Amor
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    Gilgamesh
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    Arcanist Lv 50
    Welcome to why vertical tiered gear progression is a terrible idea (among many other reasons)

    They really need to go back to a horizontal based endgame, IMO
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