How would you fix Warrior?

[Ursok]

How about give us stuff we had back in 1.23

• Rampage (Stance) Increases your attack speed and parry rating for each physical attack against you, and restores HP for each critical hit you land. Effect fades over time and ends upon reuse. Cannot be used simultaneously with Berserk.
• (fracure old) Deliver a devastating blow, dealing blunt damage and rendering the target incapable of using weaponskills. Can only be executed following a parry.
• (Steel Cyclone old) Delivers a melee attack to enemies in range. Resets Rampage effect when active to increase damage. Chance to inflict Stun when target is attacking you. Combo Action: Skull Sunder Combo Bonus: Increased critical hit rate.
• (Collusion) Redirects a portion of enmity generated by target party member's next offensive ability to you. Target must be within 8 yalms.
• (Antgonize) Increases enmity generated by all actions.

[Hachiko]

1. Exchange the damage penalty on Defiance with a penalty to critical hit %.
2. With Wrath, change the increase healing to reduce hate generated by external heals by a %. We have 2 cross class abilities that can increase healing %.
3. Increase bloodbath healing percentage.
4. All self healing generates double enmity.
5. While I like overpower, replace it with an ability that is the same as Flash, but uses TP. Make this ability a cross class skill that pld/gld can use as well.

This is funny:

1. A a significant buff to WAR damage and a sizeable nerf to WAR self heals.
2. A HUGE nerf to warrior tanking (this would make them non-viable as a tank in anything beyond AK.)
3. a very minor buff to WAR self healing, maybe to offset the fact that you're nerfing their self healing with #1?
4. A buff to WAR AOE Enmity
5. A buff to PLD AOE enmity

This would make WAR no longer viable as a main tank in any content, it would increase their DPS to sub DPS levels. It would likely be a net nerf to WAR self healing as well, but an increase in enmity generation, packaged with a buff to paladins AOE tanking capability.

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[Yuhart]

Some ideas that crossed my mind while reading all of yours:

Defiance: Move +healing from Wrath to Defiance and buff to 20% as others have said.

Wrath: Add dmg debuff to target while in Defiance(maybe 5% with full stacks), an absorb % per stack or a Parry buff as others have said.

Foresight: Possibly add a Parry buff on top of the defense buff.

Storm's Path: Reduce cost or increase heal and move to combo off of Skull Sunder. Gives you choice to further increase enmity, heal or debuff without losing the enmity gain from SS.

Storm's Eye: Move to combo off of Skull Sunder. Gives you choice to further increase enmity, heal or debuff without losing the enmity gain from SS.

Combos:

HS > SS > BB (Enmity)
HS > SS > SE (Debuff)
HS > SS > SP (Self-heal)

This way we are always adding enmity like PLD except we get the option of what we need at the end.

Unchained: No longer removes wrath stacks. Possibly increase CD and/or reduce duration for balancing purposes or simply reduce CD.

Overpower: Rename to Whirlwind: Spinning atk with same radius as flash. Can be Cross-classed. Possibly additional effect akin to the blind on flash but for WAR only.

Steel Cyclone: Add Heal.

Inner Beast: Our Oh #### button. Increase potency. I think a minorly buffed IB should fill ~25% of your health while a full buffed one should get you to 50% (once every 2mins due to CDs).

WAR in Defiance should not out DPS a PLD. If they would then once the selfheal issues are resolved, WAR would become preferred for the additional DPS.

The simple truth is all WAR needs is more potent self healing to bridge the 8-9% healing gap that Kitru pointed out.

Move the +healing to defiance instead of wrath and increase the +healing to 20-25%.

Everything else would just be icing on the cake. For me that is.

[wlakiz]

Easy.

1. Let WAR cross class with lancer instead of Monk.
2. Make Life Surge cross class-able
3. Critical hits from Inner Beast would restore 3 Wraths.

[CygnusMajor]

The simplest buff while maintaining the design concept of WAR would be to allow Fight or Flight as cross class to MRD/WAR.

[Derza]

The simplest buff while maintaining the design concept of WAR would be to allow Fight or Flight as cross class to MRD/WAR.

How would that help with balance? It is impossible to balance warrior as it is - because they are based off of personal stats to get mitigation while paladins is based off of incoming damage... Sure if they leave it how it is they can balance it for ONE situation but out side of that warrior would be better in things easier than that one situation while paladins would be better in harder content - adding another damage buff that is based off of personal stats will only shift the threshold of when paladin becomes better - It will not balance the classes.

[PessimiStick]

Misunderstood what you meant by "differently scaling self-healing" then, my fault. Completely agree with your post.

[CygnusMajor]

How would that help with balance? It is impossible to balance warrior as it is - because they are based off of personal stats to get mitigation while paladins is based off of incoming damage... Sure if they leave it how it is they can balance it for ONE situation but out side of that warrior would be better in things easier than that one situation while paladins would be better in harder content - adding another damage buff that is based off of personal stats will only shift the threshold of when paladin becomes better - It will not balance the classes.

I don't understand your statement. War was designed as a damage dealing tank with self heals but the damage it deals is too close to what Pld can do. Giving War Fight or Flight would give War an edge in damage and another buff to pop before Inner Beast without having to redesign its abilities.

[Kitru]

I don't understand your statement. War was designed as a damage dealing tank with self heals but the damage it deals is too close to what Pld can do. Giving War Fight or Flight would give War an edge in damage and another buff to pop before Inner Beast without having to redesign its abilities.

Except that you're just adding a bit of damage to a tank; you're not appreciably increasing survivability because not enough survivability is derived from damage dealt to enact that, especially when you're increasing damage over a limited period of time.

The damage that a tank deals is negligible. If a WAR did 50% more damage than a PLD, it still wouldn't be a major factor in their effectiveness as a tank and usefulness to a group: Tank damage equates to a tiny portion of total damage compared to the multiple DPS that a tank runs with, which will reduce that 50% increase in damage to a whole ~5% increase in total damage dealt by the group, or killing a target in 95.24% of the time that a PLD would. When you consider that a WAR still takes ~10% more healing than a PLD does (8.7% from passive attributes, extra added to account for CD suite inequality), you're still talking about a pretty substantial net loss to group effectiveness.

Fight or Flight wouldn't really solve anything. To, once again, use the analogy, it's a band-aid on a broken leg. It's not going to do anything.

[Gamemako]

Except that the issue isn't that WAR self-heals aren't large enough; it's that their self *do not scale properly*.

That is why we have the +healing on Wrath to begin with. WAR's self-heals are not for maintaining HP pools; they are for addressing damage spikes. In that sense, I think it would be best to reduce the usage rate of Inner Beast if anything along with increasing the healing amount, making it a superior burst mitigation method. Really, if you want to fix WAR, you have to look at its deficiencies and address them specifically.

WAR dies to burst damage?
->Increase eHP or add/improve burst mitigation ability.
WAR inferior over time?
->Increase HP healing received bonus, increase mitigation, or increase self-healing ability.
WAR's self-healing too weak to make a dent?
->Boost healing amount or boost healing rate.
WAR has inferior utility abilities?
->Add additional effect to other skills, provide other advantages which make weakness acceptable.

In this case, I think it's clear that SE must increase the HP bonus from Defiance, because a drain tank demands that it have more eHP than a mitigation tank. PLD doesn't have too much, WAR just has too little. This should address the first problem. Burst mitigation abilities could also use improvement (ToB being blah, though it's tough to fix due to the fact that it heals you right now), but adding new ones requires finding ability space and making it work without being overpowered. For healing over time, improving flat healing will just result in the job being overpowered solo and in 4-man content. This means it should be pretty much left alone as a rate. Mitigation would just be turning WAR into PLD, which is silly. Thus, boost HP recovery bonus. In my first post, I matched it at peak to PLD, but I think I prefer the solution others have given: take the boost off of Wrath entirely. Until that happens, using IB will hurt you, and that's never a good place. I'd put Defiance at a flat 20% boost to healing received. This is less than PLD's effective 25%, but self-healing is added to rather than opposed to this. With that, you can also afford to reduce Wrath generation rates, and that will let you increase the potency of IB's heal to make it a more effective burst mitigation tool. You keep overall healing rate the same (or even reduce it a bit), so it doesn't harm solo and 4-man balance, but you make the tool more significant for endgame, especially when combined with Berserk/Maim/SE for doubled potency. With HP recovery off Wrath, you also give players the opportunity to use the ability, and you'd have the HP pool to accept the increased drain. The final one... pshaw, just make Steel Cyclone not complete trash. Anyway, these tweaks (only two really major changes -- HP bonus on Defiance and doing something-or-other to Steel Cyclone) wouldn't do a whole lot for WAR in 35-50 dungeons, but it would hugely improve WAR's stock in endgame dungeons.

//EDIT: Had to fix my own comma splice. It was bothering me.