PLAYERS RALLY! - WE NEED AN ANSWER!

[Makeda]

3) You only get 3 kicks a day. That way it limits what the elitist will vote for.
4) If you get kicked you are warned. Twice in a day you are locked for 15 minutes. Three times an hour. On the fourth time you are locked out until a set time per region. (EX: 8:00 am PST)

If it was limited to 3, the jerks would just use their 3 to kick out "slow people"... I've seen countless threads where people on WoW forums and even GW2 forums complaining that it was unfair for them to be kicked for being a racist misogynist jerk who could only communicate in 4-letter words. And then... to see long lists of people agreeing with them and demanding devs punish people who kicked out rude players, as kicking was ONLY meant for booting "noobs", "casuals", "slow people", etc...


The problem is you have half a community that thinks the only fair and proper use of a kick is to kick people who fall into the category of the other half. AND vice versa...

These two types of players fundamentally do not agree on the purpose of grouping, the rules of engagement, and on who should get to go and who should have to sit out.

As such I cannot get behind your point #4 either... "casuals" would just end up getting locked out, and the more aggressive players would end up more able to 'control' access to the tool to their own kind.

More needed is better tools to splitting these two types of players so they don't collide so easily.

[Naberrie]

Ok, so they're looking into it.

I still don't like the idea. I think people just need to behave like human beings. The problem is behavior. But we'll see what happens.

[BlossomRose]

Yeah, but expecting people to act like nice, common human beings in a MMORPG is stupid. They won't. They'll be jerks and abuse the system.

[Haniale]

I think people just need to behave like human beings. The problem is behavior.

Behaviour only works with rewards/punishment systems. bad behaviour is punished by social exclusion. no such process could be done in the game, so rules need to be used instead. However, a system to rate players for your personal use, combined with a server hierarchy, would do a lot of good. Favour being matched to players from home server, server group(say, 6 or so severs), then anyone in the game. End of run + the players you liked running with, - the players you want to avoid. Next round the game puts you in with people who you've already +'d, or who have been +'d by people you've +'d.

Also add a tutor system, but with no rewards. Players who are good people but bad at the game get to learn, players who would only go for the rewards and just grind the new players don't have a reason to impact them negatively.

[Makeda]

Also add a tutor system, but with no rewards. Players who are good people but bad at the game get to learn, players who would only go for the rewards and just grind the new players don't have a reason to impact them negatively.

I like that. An option to 'stack my group with newbies' and tutor them or something... would be, once I was an old-Pro, something I'd go for even if it lacked a bonus for me. I like helping folks out... and random systems don't give me the option to do so as easily.

My GW2 guild, and back in the day my WoW guild both catered towards finding "newbs" to help out.

[Blackard]

Ok, so they're looking into it.

I still don't like the idea. I think people just need to behave like human beings. The problem is behavior. But we'll see what happens.

Let me know if that spell ever enters into any game. LOL

I do agree with your opinion, but in light of control over all players, granting people the means by which to avoid such seems to be the only alternative.

[Naberrie]

Let me know if that spell ever enters into any game. LOL

I do agree with your opinion, but in light of control over all players, granting people the means by which to avoid such seems to be the only alternative.

Which is kind of my issue. I'm not sure it is the only alternative. This is within our own control already. Our willingness to tolerate such behavior only encourages it. Speak out when you see it. Discourage it at every turn. If SE has to take measures to stop these things, it's because we as a community ourselves aren't doing enough to stop it when it happens. We share the responsibility here, and we shouldn't feel we have to look to SE to bail us out.

Can we stop it 100%? No. But the less we ourselves do to stop it the worse it will get. Peer pressure does more to stop the spread of bad behavior than any external controls.

[Spawnie]

why kick some1 for watching cutscenes? if they wanna fully enjoy everything in a first run let them.. if some1 cant wait 1-2 mins for a cutscene to finish then they got serious problems lol.....

[Michelasso]

why kick some1 for watching cutscenes? if they wanna fully enjoy everything in a first run let them.. if some1 cant wait 1-2 mins for a cutscene to finish then they got serious problems lol.....

Indeed. I couldn't believe myself when I've read the first time of people complaining because others were watching the cutscenes. Excuse us if we want to enjoy the game as the first subscribers did. I actually would have a simple solution for it: disable the "skip cutscene" option when in a party, or at least in the not organized ones.

[Spawnie]

yeah that could work... make every1 watch the scenes then cant kick any1 for actually wanting to enjoy the cutscenes lol