"Vote Kick" is coming!

[Evilized6666]

Every time vtk comes out in mmos there is the crying that "oh no its gonna be abused!"

People don't just kick out of spite, if you ever find yourself removed from a group there is a reason. Also why force yourself on four or seven strangers that obviously do not want to play with you.

Vtk be added is a great feature and a needed one.

[Delorean]

People don't just kick out of spite

For the next 10 dungeons you queue, I want you to criticize any player who has done anything wrong or perform incorrectly twice every time you have had something explained to you, come back, and then tell me if you feel the same.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, VK is primarily used by people who receive criticism in a way that they do not appreciate.

It certainly is not an option that should be available to every player. With as long as the dungeons in this game are, this game will start bleeding subs like a stuck pig if stuck up try hard but still so bad players get access to it.

VK should only be placed in the hands of responsible players and made available to others only when a player has been inactive in a Full Party for more than 5 minutes.

I believe that it should tie in with the MVP program.

[Evilized6666]

For the next 10 dungeons you queue, I want you to criticize any player who has done anything wrong or perform incorrectly twice every time you have had something explained to you, come back, and then tell me if you feel the same.

Sure I will do this. Since I'm geared appropriately for what ever content I'm running, know what I'm doing, and doing my job good, just because I criticize someone the rest of the group will not agree to kick me.

People who have problems with vtk, normally are "bads" looking to just be carried by forcing themselves on groups.

[Delorean]

People who have problems with vtk, normally are "bads" looking to just be carried by forcing themselves on groups.

You keep telling yourself that. Then act like it doesn't matter when you experience it firsthand because it didn't happen to you.

It's the number 1 reason why the WoW community is the way that it is. Is a player underperforming? Then just kick them, dps are a dime a dozen, they aren't people - they're an expendable resource; a means to an end.

Where you used to have to run all the way back to a capital city to find another player for your run and it was easier to teach someone how to play than it was to find another player who wanted to come in for a group with a few bosses down.

This game isn't World of Warcraft. In wow you sit in queue for 15-20 minutes and complete a dungeon that takes 15 minutes to complete. In FFXIV, you sit in queue for 40 minutes and complete a dungeon that takes anywhere from 20 minutes to an hour+ to complete.

VKs are more about players complaining about everything under the sun than a player being such a detriment to a group that you cannot kill a boss within 3 or 4 attempts.

It is a needed feature in some capacity, but not with the accessibility some players desire.

Keep in mind they can submit an abuse report so abusing it can result in ban or penalties as well.

Blizzard is probably the best company out there that owns an MMO. You can find that offensive, you can be annoyed by it, you can think that I am full of shit and that SE can do a better job than Blizzard, but I have been playing World of Warcraft since 2008, and the work these people do on the technical side is impeccable.

But these people say they do things about bots and wintraders. Then they make a sweep and end up banning a bunch of legit players, there are players always seeing bots and wintraders, submitting proof of their actions and nothing gets done.

Game has been plagued with gil sellers since like the first week of this game. You'll have to excuse me if I am a little unenthusiastic about the motion that anything will be done about it. If anything, it could serve as an almost empty threat to abusive players.

Meaning, disciplinary action could be taken, but probably will not be taken.

[Evilized6666]

You keep telling yourself that. Then act like it doesn't matter when you experience it firsthand because it didn't happen to you.

It's the number 1 reason why the WoW community is the way that it is. Is a player underperforming? Then just kick them, dps are a dime a dozen, they aren't people - they're an expendable resource; a means to an end.

The best dungeon finder ever was in WoW, was when it first came out and there were zero restrictions in it's use. After running hundreds of dungeons with it never once did I find myself kicked, run into people "abusing it". I did see people that were wanting to just be carried, afk, or trolling kicked many times.

[Oxide_Vanwen]

Every time vtk comes out in mmos there is the crying that "oh no its gonna be abused!"

People don't just kick out of spite, if you ever find yourself removed from a group there is a reason. Also why force yourself on four or seven strangers that obviously do not want to play with you.

Vtk be added is a great feature and a needed one.

You mean like people who rage at people in CM for watching cutscenes? Because running a story dungeon for the story impairs on their ability to do anything else for 5 minutes? Why queue in the DF for a dungeon just to have people yell at you for it? I understand its the best place for tomes currently but berating someone and now having the ability to kick them is going to get out of hand.

[Brises]

They could make it so a player meets certain requirements before a vote is possible, such as inactive for 10 minutes or so. Other criteria such as bad behavior would be hard for the system to measure - or impossible even. Also players shouldn't be kicked for being inexperienced or playing poorly as long as they are trying. I have a feeling this is going to be limited to afk-ers. And equipment requirements are going to be implemented, so that's a non-issue.

[Vladislav]

They could make it so a player meets certain requirements before a vote is possible, such as inactive for 10 minutes or so. Other criteria such as bad behavior would be hard for the system to measure - or impossible even. Also players shouldn't be kicked for being inexperienced or playing poorly as long as they are trying. I have a feeling this is going to be limited to afk-ers. And equipment requirements are going to be implemented, so that's a non-issue.

That's what i thinking also , kick to inactive player after 5 min afk or something like that . Because if there will be no criteria , this will be really "fun" - u runned thru Ak to last boss and bah u kicked because ppl's just want to fun or something else lol . And if it goes 3 times in a row ? what to do then , call GM ?

[MXMoondoggie]

Lol "People don't kick out of spite" of course they do. Either on the side of "Skip cutscenes or leave" types or the "I can't take it that this person is getting mad at the party for getting things wrong" care bear types. Do you really think people always get kicked for good reasons? I'd say in MMO's like 60% of kicks are for something dumb.

[BlossomRose]

Lol "People don't kick out of spite" of course they do. Either on the side of "Skip cutscenes or leave" types or the "I can't take it that this person is getting mad at the party for getting things wrong" care bear types. Do you really think people always get kicked for good reasons? I'd say in MMO's like 60% of kicks are for something dumb.

I'm sorry, what?

If the party wipes on a boss, it is NOBODY'S PLACE to start screaming insults and being "mad". Explain why they wiped, gently, nicely, and professionally, then try again. If someone devolves into insults or "being mad" such that it becomes toxic, then it is not "care bear" behavior to say that they should be kicked out so that a new, non-toxic individual can be drafted in as a replacement.

I'm sorry, but I have no interest in grouping with people who take their anger out on others for failing.

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