Solution to WAR problem is to nerf PLD

[Sephirah]

Ehm.. War with defiance only gives 25% more HP.. Where did you get 40%? I perfectly happy with war that's why I suggest them to Nerf pld instead of buffing war

Hmm, I was trying to find it but I can't now. So let's assume it's just 25%, even still, they do get an increased effect from vit, more than pld. And usually on Titan, a pld in there will have between 5-5.2k hp, and wars will generally have around 7k (at least from what I've seen). Nerfing paladin's defense is no different than buffing WAR.

Paladin's defensive mitigation is the only thing it has going for it. I'm sorry if you find the warrior playstyle stressful, but saying "hey, let's just make it so the class that was designed to take a hit, can't take a hit" is just ridiculous. a 4.5k mountain buster with a PLD tank would almost guarantee a wipe.

[Citizen_Thom]

If the game is supposed to be fun, then they shouldn't be nerfing anyone.

[KimTaeyeon]

If anyone wants to nerf the permanent 20% DR from Shield Oath to something like 25% chance to -20% dmg received, then Warrior's Defiance should be nerfed to something like 25% chance to heal 20% of dmg received.

Warriors have many tanking stuff, just need to be more actively rotate the right skill on the right time. If they make WAR's playstyle the same as PLD, it shouldn't be fun.

[Tanaya]

And like a war you will have to manage your cool down to survive.

So in other words you have no idea how to play Paladin.

Gotcha.

[Cursedsoul]

The major difference between paladin and warrior is how much EASIER the paladin is to play. The warrior is much more about well timed self heals and knowing when to use things like berserk... or maybe a "defense" cooldown. A paladin can mostly spam his attacks, and throwing up a defense here or there in case of a "oh crap" moment.

Ultimately though, a warrior needs a scholar in the group. The rapid heals and absorb buffs make a perfect match with the warrior. The self heals become near worthless if two white mages or a warrior are 'competing' on who gets to heal the tank.

The need for attention and 'skill' is what makes the warrior valuable. If warriors are to be made better, make it minor. A 5% defense boost OR a 5%-10% self heal potential increase. Anything more than that would turn the warrior into another mindless job. Paladins are fine as they are.

(Side note: I wonder what people will be saying when PVP gets into the game...)

[Maddrox]

sounds like warrior just needs a 10% dmg reduction passive to be tacked onto Defiance , Maybe increased parry and parry effectiveness to put them a little more on par with paladins block/block rate, Warrior would still have a larger Hp pool / less dmg mitigation but wouldn't be such a chore to heal..

As it stands the warriors in my FC have all re-rolled because they know its hopeless right now to tank as a warrior and from the sounds of the teamspeak chatter nobody wants to carry them through a raid..

[Delorean]

FFXIV 1.0 would like to speak with you.

Am I supposed to care? I didn't play 1.0, and from what I heard when I decided to purchase the game, it was a completely different game.

The only reason I wish as much is so that some of you can see how ridiculous you are being. I mean hey, let's just assume everyone playing WAR is just an idiot and hasn't figured out how to play the class after a month of doing it, because that's totally rational, very sound thought process. Not insulting at all.

The warrior is much more about well timed self heals and knowing when to use things like berserk... or maybe a "defense" cooldown.

i am pretty sure that these are not the issues that WAR players contributing evidence disputing the vision of WAR are facing

[BarrettLionheart]

What are they going to do after that, take our "damage" away?

[DukeGr]

imo the real problem here is people not using warriors for endgame content Titan/Coil due to wanting easymode with pld titan and 5dps / 2pld's coil. WAR is capable of tanking everything with a decent group, its just harder to do for both the war and the healers. instead of nerfing and buffing classes they should force all of those instances to have 1 pld and 1 war mandatory even on premades. see problem solved.

[Xenobius]

Right now it seems bringing a WAR instead of a PLD is like willingly choosing a handicap, and no one in their right mind does that.

I mean, sure, you can find other ways to shoot yourself in the leg (stop using summoned pets as SMN/SCH, wear swimsuits for armor - take your pick) and claim that killing stuff this way requires "moar skillz", but let's face it, there's a helluva gap between "can do it" and "can do it without causing trouble to others".