The current battle system mainly calculate everything from Your Rank vs Mob Rank

[Lerris]

Take two players, one at rank 45, the other at rank 50. Give them the same exact stats and gear. You'll see a big difference.

Yes, we will see a big difference. I don't think anyone is denying that. But, has anyone actually done this and generated a large dataset? That is the issue. The difference does not necessarily mean that rank is the determining factor. It's likely that that's what it means, but "likelihood" does not constitute proof.

You're also missing details on the test: the characters need to be the same class and using the same gear.

At this pont, rent...do you really think that?
They won't see a damn thing lol...

This from someone whose every post is a broken record demonstrating an unwillingness to acknowledge the other point of view. Asking for proof demonstrates a willingness to be convinced. Personally, I'm not interested enough in the answer to put a lot of time I don't have into analyzing a combat system which will be replaced in a month.

[Kurokikaze]

But its not a combat system... It's a stat system. Two different things.

[Lerris]

I don't understand why DLVL has to be in the equation - you just state it needs to be there, but provide no justification.

Because it seems to have an influence. Because the programmers made it a factor. The ultimate goal would be to reverse-engineer the damage equation, and we need to use every base stat and derived stat that has an actual or suspected effect in order to accurately do so.

[Physic]

kuro, you fail very badly at math, she only proved that dlevel increases your dmg she never compared it to anything else, she didnt do it with a level 50 weapon vs a level 1, all her stats are with level 1 weapon.

if you dont understand the different behaviors of different types of equations at thier limits then you have no business trying to deal with equations. if you think that a hyperbola a quadratic and the equation of a line are the same types of relationships, and that the same data points are useful, then you just dont get it at all.

But ehh why am i breaking my back, they are going to change the formulas anyway, and you still wont understand it until someone else puts it in your face and tells you what to do with it anyway. Dont worry, real math people will figure it out and hand you the answer to the equations, and you can just nod you head and quote them.

you fail, good night sir

[Lerris]

But its not a combat system... It's a stat system. Two different things.

I'm not sure what your point here is.
My point was that the new combat system will very likely use the same stats in a different way, so any work analyzing the current state of the game would not be useful in the long run ( as interesting as it might be to some ).

The application of stats in calculating damage is part of the combat system.

[Kurokikaze]

There was math there? lol

I'm sorry all I saw were some numbers under different circumstances that proved something you asked about AFTER the fact.

You're pretty bad at trolling bro.

[Kurokikaze]

I'm not sure what your point here is.
My point was that the new combat system will very likely use the same stats in a different way, so any work analyzing the current state of the game would not be useful in the long run ( as interesting as it might be to some ).

The application of stats in calculating damage is part of the combat system.

And my point was that you cant assume that they're changing everything in one fell swoop. They could bandaid a new combat system and leave stats intact and let it work itself out.

[Lerris]

And my point was that you cant assume that they're changing everything in one fell swoop. They could bandaid a new combat system and leave stats intact and let it work itself out.

And that invalidates my point how? "My point was that the new combat system will very likely use the same stats in a different way" - almost the exact same thing you just said.

I simply don't wish to start experimenting to reverse engineer the equations until we have a finalized system in place. And the words "very likely" were there to indicate that I was speculating to some degree.

[Physic]

There was math there? lol

I'm sorry all I saw were some numbers under different circumstances that proved something you asked about AFTER the fact.

You're pretty bad at trolling bro.

heres what you said she prooved

"
Originally Posted by Physic
no one was questioning dlevels effect versus low level mobs, I was questioning two things
If dlevel negates gear/stats
Reika... just fucking demonstrated that... omg.
"

heres what she said in the same post.

"
If you are asking "But reika, if you equip your R43 scepter, doesnt your damage go up?"
why yes the damage does go up, but the point is, I am doing buttloads of damage to these creatures with 0 int, and a r1 weapon
"

sooo wtf are you talking about, she infact proved that dlevel DOES NOT NEGATE THE EFFECT OF GEAR/STATS

are you really seriously this blind.
are you really trying to troll so hard that you cant use your brain.

she proved dlevel has a large effect on your damage, she did not prove that stats/gear do not have an effect, or show what type of effect they have.
you are jumping to conclusions and not using logical reasoning. you can never recreate or understand mathematics if the basic concepts of cause and effect escape you.

you are on the other hand pretty good at trolling though, you are truely a troll pro

[Rentahamster]

Yes, we will see a big difference. I don't think anyone is denying that. But, has anyone actually done this and generated a large dataset? That is the issue. The difference does not necessarily mean that rank is the determining factor. It's likely that that's what it means, but "likelihood" does not constitute proof.

Wait, wait, so you're saying that if everything else is kept constant except for rank difference, that it doesn't mean that "rank is the determining factor"????

Yes it does.


Gaining a rank is so much more significant to your dmg and accuracy and defense than getting new gear or gaining physical levels. It marginalizes gear way too much.