We don't need them anymore.

[Reinhardt_Azureheim]

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Oh I agree, Feast was an awfully designed gamemode with noble intentions of preserving trinity/roles to its fullest, but had several problems like:

• You wouldn't know which roles are already in queue unlike other duties and you HAD to have one of each role unlike now
• Throughout most seasons, impact by Healers and Melees were significantly higher than the other roles, which also lead to a medium to high degree of anxiety to that role
• Medal holding was arguably fairly unintuitive, especially after they changed the caps for each role that could carry them. There was also heavy medal and light medal status effects.

Aside from that, I was just talking about it logically of "why" wintrading is made easier, which is a lesson to learn for future iterations of PvP such as Crystalline Conflict and what lies beyond. That's why I don't like the wintrading narrative being repeated ad nauseam without players actually giving it a proper chance. It's a weird social issue that discourages players and keeps them away, but that also makes the problem worse (and also shrinks the playerpool you interact with).

[Catwho]

Back in my very first virtual world, Dreamscape, at one point I had one of the rarest items in existence. I think I won it in a trivia contest one day, and a GM just handed it to me - the original Paper Bag head piece. It was undyeable, but only THREE existed. I wore that thing for several years.

And then one day, they added in a dyable version that could be purchased from a vendor.

Did I feel mad about it? Naw, not really. In that case, it definitely wasn't a reward I'd worked my ass off to get, I just happened to get lucky at trivia being a category that I knew that day.

[Picothea]

As someone who's played plenty of games with rare, time-limited items, I've always been in favor of giving them to everyone regardless of what I did to get my own. I own a tradeable Black Rose in Team Fortress 2, an item which people value at absurd prices ranging from hundreds of real dollars to over a thousand. Yet I would rather have all players get access to the knife as they were originally meant to, when it was an achievement reward for playing a different game. There's no reason this knife, essentially just a cosmetic skin for the default Spy knife, should be withheld from players who want it.

An exclusive item may gain attention in the short term, but it inevitably lowers the quality of the game in the long term. It is not a good sacrifice to make, dismaying newcomers and potentially even turning away customers entirely. There's many games I refuse to play simply because it contains time-restricted cosmetics. Why should I pay for a game that thinks players should be permanently unable to get some items because they didn't have the psychic foresight to play at a certain period of time?

[MoonNoire]

People getting angry over the fact other people get to wear a virtual suit of armor they've very likely used only sporadically are really funny to me. It's like those Fortnite players who don't want the old battle pass items to come back because, and I quote, it makes them look "OG". Sorry your virtual doll isn't so OG anymore I guess, but FOMO sucks and ALL cosmetics should be available to the player in some way

[IOwn92FCHouses]

You know what, I agree. All cosmetics should be available to all players. And they should be earned the exact same way as they were originally. Want some glam from an old extreme or savage? Run it synced. Unsynced runs no longer give any drops at all. This includes mounts, minions, you name it. Want some feast title or item? Get the equivalent rank and you can have it.

Not good enough to run content synced successfully or to get high enough in pvp?

To.

Fucking.

Bad.

[BlisteringFrost]

You know what, I agree. All cosmetics should be available to all players. And they should be earned the exact same way as they were originally. Want some glam from an old extreme or savage? Run it synced. Unsynced runs no longer give any drops at all. This includes mounts, minions, you name it. Want some feast title or item? Get the equivalent rank and you can have it.

Not good enough to run content synced successfully or to get high enough in pvp?

To.

Fucking.

Bad.

I don't disagree but it'd ironically be a bad thing. The people who would've already wanted stuff from it will have it. Up and comers wanting stuff will thusly be left incapable of completing it due to lacking bodies or players good enough to do it. They need to make Epic Echo not trash and just let us 1 or 2 shot Non-Forced Synced content if we're 10 or more levels above the content.

[Heroman3003]

You know what, I agree. All cosmetics should be available to all players. And they should be earned the exact same way as they were originally. Want some glam from an old extreme or savage? Run it synced. Unsynced runs no longer give any drops at all. This includes mounts, minions, you name it. Want some feast title or item? Get the equivalent rank and you can have it.

Not good enough to run content synced successfully or to get high enough in pvp?

To.

Fucking.

Bad.

That's okay, just use RMT and hire a group to wintrade in PVP, just like the 'bad' players earned it in the 'good old days'.

[IOwn92FCHouses]

I don't disagree but it'd ironically be a bad thing. The people who would've already wanted stuff from it will have it. Up and comers wanting stuff will thusly be left incapable of completing it due to lacking bodies or players good enough to do it. They need to make Epic Echo not trash and just let us 1 or 2 shot Non-Forced Synced content if we're 10 or more levels above the content.

Not true. They just need to grind pvp or find 7 other people who want the thing, same as the original earners did. If they can't or don't want to put in the effort to join or form a group? Oh well. It's just pixels, right? Not a big deal at all.

That's okay, just use RMT and hire a group to wintrade in PVP, just like the 'bad' players earned it in the 'good old days'.

And that's your rignt! And, if you get banned in the process, as some win traders experienced back in the day? It's just pixels. You can begin again with a new character and re-earn all those pixels.

[RedLolly]

I know some players have earned the finale mounts of a few previous expansion's extremes via Moogle Treasure Troves.

[Kaurhz]

I have a love/hate relationship with this...

I can understand the effort put into things and valuing that.

But this game doesn't really facilitate long-form at all... Beyond a certain point that content is just irrelevant and then the value ultimately just comes more from the obscurity of the content itself rather than the difficulty itself.

and solving that... making it long form" involves far more than just stripping things such as undersized parties, to be honest.

As for PvP... I think reward structure could've been better designed.