SAM and SMN is doing too much damage and should be nerfed.

[Ransu]

SMN has ZERO complexity. It's literally just 1 button for 90% of its rotation. Anyone who thinks smn even has a modicum of complexity is absolutely delusional.

You have an argument if you're talking about drg, rdm or blm....but smn? Lmao no, just stop. I could play that job in my sleep. I liked it at launch, but once you realize just how absolutely simplistic it is you get bored immediately. I only play it in expert roulette now a days because it's king of aoe so trash mobs die pretty fast, but I'd never take it into a raid.

[Tetsujin]

I agree, here are some of my proposed changes for Samurai:

• Remove guaranteed crits.
• Shave off potencies sprinkled through the movelist.
• Buff Midare potency damage.
• Introduce a skill called "Kaiten" to boost the next iajutsu's potency by 50%.
• Buff Tenka Goken's damage but make it a cone.

The aim is to uh.. make it's damage lower by letting it fluctuate and add some depth and decision making to the class.

:^)

[Fryfor]

You don't even do high end content. Why care?

[SleepyCococat]

Thx for the likes btw.

[Aikaal]

SMN has ZERO complexity. It's literally just 1 button for 90% of its rotation. Anyone who thinks smn even has a modicum of complexity is absolutely delusional.

You have an argument if you're talking about drg, rdm or blm....but smn? Lmao no, just stop. I could play that job in my sleep. I liked it at launch, but once you realize just how absolutely simplistic it is you get bored immediately. I only play it in expert roulette now a days because it's king of aoe so trash mobs die pretty fast, but I'd never take it into a raid.

And you need to learn how to read. I never said Summoner had any complexity. That's just true to any job. Just go and look for a SB Melee PoV and a EW Melee PoV and you'll see how brain dead melee has become.

Complexity isn't just about rotation but how you can do that rotation within the fight. They've simplified the content for melee DPS.

Also, you probably should read this thread title saying SMN does too much damage when it's 8% to 10% behind Melee DPS I think if SE feels your way they wouldn't need to reduce damage But the moment that they'll buff RDM, they will also buff SMN. One doesn't go without the other.

Funny you say that. My group asked me to go SMN over RDM for the 8th floor It wasn't because I was bad a RDM since I did get my DSR clear on RDM. It's simply because SMN was better for the DPS check. Nobody with the hardcore prog gives a damn that SMN is brain dead. Nobody would care if their damage was higher.

Like, y'all talk as if you knew what you're talking about but it feels like you don't even play the jobs you're criticizing during valid content.

RDM was better in DSR. SMN is better in Abyssos. That's all that matters because it is expected from teams that you play your job as if it was brain dead to you.

[fulminating]

Too much damage for its complexity. It’s a thinly if at all veiled post bemoaning the absolute state of certain formerly more complex jobs and a dig at part of the rationale yoship gave for the spread of damage numbers.

[ZiraZ]

The only nerf SMN needs is in ultimate 70 content.

[remiff]

The only nerf SMN needs is in ultimate 70 content.

It's strong, but not problematic on the overall balance, simply because it's old content and it mostly balances the game for recent content,
and it's not the only job to be relatively strong on very old content.

But yes if in the future they decide to slightly increase the DPS of the summoner, they must absolutely not increase the damage of bahamut,
a potency buff on ifrit/garuda would have no consequence on the lvl 70 content, because the first trait is lvl 72 and the second trait is lvl 86.

But honestly I think they don't care about the balance on lvl 70 ultimate .

[Renascent]

Rdm was never better in DSR what did I read.
If we speaking damage Smn shit on Rdm in DSR as long as you don't run a 0 buff comp.

And yeah not feeling like beating a dead horse but it's the easiest and most braindead job in the game by a landmile, still fucking stupid that "balance" have to comply to it.

[SaberMaxwell]

Red Mage suffered the same way all gauge jobs suffered in DSR: P2 and P5 are gone longer than they're around, creating very strange situations that any typical law abiding rdm wouldn't be able to deal with. Where to double combo, single combo, and when to hold change based on mechanics you get and kill times of each boss.

Combo with a p3 that can be tricky to figure out for movement, a p6 that is also weird for movement, a p7 that is unforgiving for screwing up a movement, lack of personal mit to handle going from ame to gigaflare edge (I've gotten killed by this once :'D), RDM does not necessitate an easy time in DSR.

I'd still more happily play rdm in there than in Abyssos; this tier seems like it was designed to bully everyone who has to sit and cast for a while.