Tales from Duty Finder: Some make you laugh, some make you cry. Let's vent.

[Kolsykol]

Got my First Circle Savage clear, been putting it off a little but jumped into it today onward to next.

Reminder of how annoying pf is often times tho, people leaving constantly after one or two wipes ( in practice groups ) and just giving up/ ragequiting.
And also the weird elitism from people who clearly aren't as good as they think they are.

In the group previous to the one I cleared it with we had a BRD who right away made a deal out of how he was going to leave if we weren't doing good enough for him and about how he wants to clear it and is tired of people etc.
Same person kept harping on about how our DPS was too low constantly ( it really seem'd fine to me... I felt like the boss was melting. I am not sure about BRD but I also saw him manually re-apply dots constantly which I don't think they should do ).
And ofc, this same BRD had no clue what to do with the timers mechanic and was running around like a headless chicken lol.
I saw him every time that mechanic happened clearly not knowing what was going on and not knowing what the times were ( he kept referring to having 5s, 2s when others had the 3s, 10s etc, he was clearly being very slow with noticing and reacting to it ).

He left and we got replacements, bunch of unmelded or +12 melds to make it seem properly melded when it wasn't etc but after a long time of practicing and sticking together and not ragequitting we did it and people did learn.
I rly feel like people like the BRD above are just in actuality getting carried without realize it, I dunno how people that arrogant, clueless and impatient at the same time can actually clear stuff.
The groups I clear with are always groups that stick together and are patient even if it's rough.

I dunno why some people expect to clear stuff when they just leave after 1-3 tries and then they join a group that is starting from square one again rinse and repeat that's not how you progress.
I get quietly annoyed too when people show up with no melds, food and/ or are slow learners etc but you can't join a practice/ prog group and have the wrong attitude.

I am rly considering taking the step and look for a static tho because I am kinda tired of it, it feels like you have to wade through so much crap to get to one group that doesn't implode in on itself the moment problems occur.
Part of the fun of Savage imo is to figure things out and apply it through trial and error and practice, but some people don't seem to enjoy it at all and just want to succeed on the first try then forget about it until next week.

We have a WHM in our static from WoW- she doesn't ever DPS, never tops anyone off & claims she knows exactly what she's doing & when you offer advice or criticism, she will call you out for minor things following up
She's friends with some of the ppl in our static & in our FC

During the 1st savage fight from the new raids- she just doesn't move- she turns her character away from the boss & just stands there still as if she were afk until a person needs healing
We saw enrage 4 times 1st it was 10% then 2-6% & one of our folks just asked her "are you even dpsing??" her Dpsing at this point was only her dot - well she actually started using Glare & we cleared just as enrage started
Today- same deal in the 2nd raid- she just stood there & only would cast medica 2 but THIS time she had zero mana to do anything else.
Our other healer politely informed her to use lucid dreaming & to which the whm did not until she had hardly any mana left as people needed to be topped off for the aoe blasts
She's from WoW & I guess when you play a priest, you just stand there & play your class like it had a lobotomy because that's how she plays WHM.

I'm sitting back to see it unfold

I dunno about current WoW, but when I went back to Classic at least Priests were expected to DPS with wands.
I think Healers nowadays often DPS in WoW too at least to some extent but I am not sure.

[Adeacia]

Final dungeon of Endwalker MSQ. I've run it many times and never had a real issue with it. Today however, was another story. On the final boss I kept causing wipes by dying to the Prance mechanic. I'm not even sure I ever died to that before, but today I just couldn't do it. I was about to kick myself out of the party when the tank managed to finish it off.

I really want the minion from that place but if it dropped during that run I would have passed. I certainly didn't deserve the chance to get it after that performance of mine.

[Somnolence]

We have a WHM in our static from WoW- she doesn't ever DPS, never tops anyone off & claims she knows exactly what she's doing & when you offer advice or criticism, she will call you out for minor things following up
She's friends with some of the ppl in our static & in our FC

During the 1st savage fight from the new raids- she just doesn't move- she turns her character away from the boss & just stands there still as if she were afk until a person needs healing
We saw enrage 4 times 1st it was 10% then 2-6% & one of our folks just asked her "are you even dpsing??" her Dpsing at this point was only her dot - well she actually started using Glare & we cleared just as enrage started
Today- same deal in the 2nd raid- she just stood there & only would cast medica 2 but THIS time she had zero mana to do anything else.
Our other healer politely informed her to use lucid dreaming & to which the whm did not until she had hardly any mana left as people needed to be topped off for the aoe blasts
She's from WoW & I guess when you play a priest, you just stand there & play your class like it had a lobotomy because that's how she plays WHM.

I'm sitting back to see it unfold

This screams trap static to me, bail unless you think keeping friendships is worth the suffering.

[Kaoru_Nagisa]

I really want the minion from that place but if it dropped during that run I would have passed. I certainly didn't deserve the chance to get it after that performance of mine.

Reminds me how yesterday when we were clearing out Pandaemonium for an FC mate, we had a tank in P4 that just... wouldn't stop talking.

They saw we had one single newcomer (our DRG FC mate, rest of us filled out the DPS slots) and apparently decided it was time for them to write an entire book over the course of the fight. They'd type out every mechanic as it happened, despite the fact our friend rarely pays attention to party chat during fights and in fact didn't die or fail a mechanic once (save for getting knocked back into the death wall, which I 100% pin on the MT positioning the boss incredibly poorly the entire time considering we had 3 melee in the group).

This tank also frequently died to the mechanics they were typing about, because... y'know, they were too busy typing to play properly.

That person ofc got the minion at the end. My BRD friend who has been trying to get it since Panda dropped was understandably frustrated. :x

[HeyMcFly]

That kind of stupid hasn't been accepted in WoW for almost a decade.

Literally the last time I saw someone NOT get kicked in WoW for that was during Burning Crusade when the Guild I ran was progging in Karazhan and the only reason I couldn't kick the other healer despite being the guild leader was that she was married to my maintank...
- Eventually I leveled my own tank and tossed them both out, solely because of her.

You can't blame this one in WoW. These days WoW healers are expected to DPS and do mechanics even more than FFXIV healers are.

Especially priests. Even Holy priests DPS.

Don't let a bad player try and get off the hook by blaming it on another game - she'd get kicked out of even leveling content over there. Heck people would vote her out of even her own solo questing... They can't, but they'd figure out how to do it anyway. Folks would be so mad about that they'd probably make a virus just with her name on it just to block her account out of the game, and given the mods over there - it'd probably be one of the Blizzard mods that did it...



Nah. If the healers have low DPS in WoW, they get tossed. Especially in prog.

THE META healer in WoW right now is the meta because it can out-DPS half the DPS... the Holy Paladin.

A few years ago I played a priest in WoW & would heal & dps as needed (if I wasnt healing I was dpsing basically) & for giggles I'd random leap of faith a person but otherwise, I'd play with my BF & we'd queue the dungeons & do questing but never really got into raids due to work schedules - I didn't get deep enough into WoW to know when to call BS on this WHM

To add more context of the situation:
Everyone I've spoken to who knows about her doing this shrugs & goes "it's a WoW thing" I don't want to casually chalk it up to that simple statement as the others do who know her- because I've met some really awesome players who came from WoW into XIV- just like anyone basically, you have your good players & bad players
I also don't know what other games she's played but I'll be sure to let everyone know how this turns out lol

[Driavna]

Final dungeon of Endwalker MSQ. I've run it many times and never had a real issue with it. Today however, was another story. On the final boss I kept causing wipes by dying to the Prance mechanic. I'm not even sure I ever died to that before, but today I just couldn't do it. I was about to kick myself out of the party when the tank managed to finish it off.

I really want the minion from that place but if it dropped during that run I would have passed. I certainly didn't deserve the chance to get it after that performance of mine.

Bad days happens.

[Kolsykol]

Everyone makes mistakes.
I was doing all the mechanics in Savage today perfectly for like 3 hours and then in the pull where we killed the boss was the pull where I all of the sudden had problems my brain just started farting lol.
I dunno why it just happened.

Even top players and really impressive speedrunners and such fail a lot more than people would think, we just tend not to see it because it's not what they show us.

[Kaoru_Nagisa]

As per usual, about to lose my mind at the insane toxic casualism that pervades this game's playerbase.

Land in Dun Scaith on my SGE, first boss is a bit rough with a lot of dead people, but we pull through it without a wipe somehow.

Second boss, nearly a full wipe because people can't seem to understand the simple fact of: if you don't know what a mechanic does, don't touch stuff. After healers were pulled off the floor and a couple LB3s went out to raise people, someone asks in chat "just so I know: are you supposed to turn the panel opposite?" I respond by confirming yes, make all panels the opposite of the debuff.

Fire/Water mechanic goes out again later, someone runs over some panels at the last minute after they'd all been changed properly. I say "can I ask why some people want to swap the panels right before the mechanic resolves properly?". Someone from B says, in typical garbage whiner fashion, "iT wASn'T exPlaINeD".

I point out yes, it literally was. Please learn to read the chat.

Cue a stupidly long argument of this person whinging the whole time about how "Well maybe we'd be more inclined to listen to mechanics if you didn't come off like such an ***hole". I just responded saying it'd benefit everyone if they stopped acting like a child. I get told to "alt-f4, it'll make everyone's day better"; classy, y'all. One person tried to defend me in the chat while the majority of the raid sided with the guy who was whining like an overgrown toddler about someone's tone.... which is hard to read over text regardless.

Sorry, if me being short and to the point with a mechanics explanation is "***hole-y", I desperately beg people to grow thicker skin.

[Skivvy]

As per usual, about to lose my mind at the insane toxic casualism that pervades this game's playerbase.

Land in Dun Scaith on my SGE, first boss is a bit rough with a lot of dead people, but we pull through it without a wipe somehow.

Second boss, nearly a full wipe because people can't seem to understand the simple fact of: if you don't know what a mechanic does, don't touch stuff. After healers were pulled off the floor and a couple LB3s went out to raise people, someone asks in chat "just so I know: are you supposed to turn the panel opposite?" I respond by confirming yes, make all panels the opposite of the debuff.

Fire/Water mechanic goes out again later, someone runs over some panels at the last minute after they'd all been changed properly. I say "can I ask why some people want to swap the panels right before the mechanic resolves properly?". Someone from B says, in typical garbage whiner fashion, "iT wASn'T exPlaINeD".

I point out yes, it literally was. Please learn to read the chat.

Cue a stupidly long argument of this person whinging the whole time about how "Well maybe we'd be more inclined to listen to mechanics if you didn't come off like such an ***hole". I just responded saying it'd benefit everyone if they stopped acting like a child. I get told to "alt-f4, it'll make everyone's day better"; classy, y'all. One person tried to defend me in the chat while the majority of the raid sided with the guy who was whining like an overgrown toddler about someone's tone.... which is hard to read over text regardless.

Sorry, if me being short and to the point with a mechanics explanation is "***hole-y", I desperately beg people to grow thicker skin.

First off, I love the term whinging. I wish it was used more often in the states.

That fire/water move seems to attract trolls, although more often than not people are just running over things because it's there. :P I found just typing "make em orange/blue" in shout seemed to help. That's short and to the point, and people shouldn't get offended over tone.

Speaking of tone though, for better or worse, it does play its part. People are far more likely to tune you out if they feel you're going on the attack for no reason. Not saying you need to have a long heart-to-heart in the middle of an alliance raid, but it's not too tricky to change up phrasing so that instructions are clear and easier to digest.

[Rinhi]

Speaking of tone though, for better or worse, it does play its part. People are far more likely to tune you out if they feel you're going on the attack for no reason. Not saying you need to have a long heart-to-heart in the middle of an alliance raid, but it's not too tricky to change up phrasing so that instructions are clear and easier to digest.

disagree, people will feel attacked regardless of tone
how dare that someone gives advice and knows better than me?! how dare their comment subtly call out my griefing?!
you can package your advice and tips in the nicest way possible, with a million uwus, :3's and as if you talk to the softest baby that exists and people will still get upset