Tales from Duty Finder: Some make you laugh, some make you cry. Let's vent.

[Vahlnir]

Tanks don't bother with countdowns in normal 8-man content because most of the time they try this the other tank puts stance on and insta-pulls anyway

Yep. I go in with my stance off simply because I expect this to happen. If the other tank doesn't put theirs on or start a countdown I usually will. But even then I've had tanks equip their stance and rush in anyway the moment I start doing anything, even after I gave them ample time to get themselves together. Sometimes you just can't win.

[Hatfright]

Yep. I go in with my stance off simply because I expect this to happen. If the other tank doesn't put theirs on or start a countdown I usually will. But even then I've had tanks equip their stance and rush in anyway the moment I start doing anything, even after I gave them ample time to get themselves together. Sometimes you just can't win.

All of this. As much as I love being MT, chanses are someone's gonna yonk it from me anyway, and I've seen enough provoke wars to not provoke back and just let it go. Days when the question "You wanna MT or should I?" even get answered can be counted on one hand. It's sad.

[Katie_Kitty]

I will never understand why people care about countdowns in Duty Finder content. Just pull if you are the tank. Randoms don't bother with optimal openers and aligning raid buffs.

Hello, I play a caster, and my opener requires the use of a 5-second hardcast spell. I like to do my proper opener, so yes, hello! I'm one of the people who likes countdowns in all 8-person content, including normal raids and trials.. Because I like doing my opener, and it is very inconvenient to do so without a countdown. Got a problem with that? *shrug*

[Katie_Kitty]

I still want it to be a watering can instead of a crown so it's less about prestige and more about identifying someone who wants to help.

I'm pretty sure wearing the mentor crown just makes you a target for vitriolic abuse in this game. I don't think it's considered prestigious at all.

[Zfz]

In DUNGEONS, I really prefer tanks to just pull, after making sure everyone's coming in to the arena. When I tank, I do exactly that and never count down. Dungeon bosses have such low HPs your cooldown usage during the trash pulls are likely going to be affecting your dps more than any opener ever will anyways, and also those cooldowns you used on that last trash pack is probably messing with your opener anyways. Unless you're deliberately saving those cooldowns...

Honestly, if you really want ot practice openers, find a dummy and you have full control over what to do and when to stop. It's a much better environment than trying to practice openers in dungeons with random strangers.

[Makeda]

In DUNGEONS, I really prefer tanks to just pull, after making sure everyone's coming in to the arena. When I tank, I do exactly that and never count down.

Yes, in dungeons is particular, there's a chance your DPS are sitting there watching some buff or proc tick down while waiting for you [some hypothetical tank] to "OMG PLEASE PULL NOW" as you sit there in front of the boss picking your nose instead of just pulling already...

So when tanking dungeons I look to see if everyone is 'in the gate or close and moving still' and if so I pull.

When I won't pull is if people have stopped to wait OUTSIDE the gate, or if anyone has a cutscene going.

If someone waits outside the gate I presume they're trying to troll us into starting the fight minus them - which healers used to do to me a lot...

[HeyMcFly]

We have a WHM in our static from WoW- she doesn't ever DPS, never tops anyone off & claims she knows exactly what she's doing & when you offer advice or criticism, she will call you out for minor things following up
She's friends with some of the ppl in our static & in our FC

During the 1st savage fight from the new raids- she just doesn't move- she turns her character away from the boss & just stands there still as if she were afk until a person needs healing
We saw enrage 4 times 1st it was 10% then 2-6% & one of our folks just asked her "are you even dpsing??" her Dpsing at this point was only her dot - well she actually started using Glare & we cleared just as enrage started
Today- same deal in the 2nd raid- she just stood there & only would cast medica 2 but THIS time she had zero mana to do anything else.
Our other healer politely informed her to use lucid dreaming & to which the whm did not until she had hardly any mana left as people needed to be topped off for the aoe blasts
She's from WoW & I guess when you play a priest, you just stand there & play your class like it had a lobotomy because that's how she plays WHM.

I'm sitting back to see it unfold

[MilkieTea]

We have a WHM in our static from WoW- she doesn't ever DPS, never tops anyone off & claims she knows exactly what she's doing & when you offer advice or criticism, she will call you out for minor things following up
She's friends with some of the ppl in our static & in our FC

During the 1st savage fight from the new raids- she just doesn't move- she turns her character away from the boss & just stands there still as if she were afk until a person needs healing
We saw enrage 4 times 1st it was 10% then 2-6% & one of our folks just asked her "are you even dpsing??" her Dpsing at this point was only her dot - well she actually started using Glare & we cleared just as enrage started
Today- same deal in the 2nd raid- she just stood there & only would cast medica 2 but THIS time she had zero mana to do anything else.
Our other healer politely informed her to use lucid dreaming & to which the whm did not until she had hardly any mana left as people needed to be topped off for the aoe blasts
She's from WoW & I guess when you play a priest, you just stand there & play your class like it had a lobotomy because that's how she plays WHM.

I'm sitting back to see it unfold

in WoW from what my partner tells me, most healers dont DPS bc healing checks are harder, BUT good healers DPS. But then again he's played for over a decade and things have probably changed that he isn't aware of because he doesn't play a healing spec.

Honestly, remove that Whm from your static, she can come back when she's learned to actually play her class.

[Makeda]

We have a WHM in our static from WoW- she doesn't ever DPS, never tops anyone off & claims she knows exactly what she's doing & when you offer advice or criticism, she will call you out for minor things following up
She's friends with some of the ppl in our static & in our FC

During the 1st savage fight from the new raids- she just doesn't move- she turns her character away from the boss & just stands there still as if she were afk until a person needs healing

She's from WoW & I guess when you play a priest, you just stand there & play your class like it had a lobotomy because that's how she plays WHM.

That kind of stupid hasn't been accepted in WoW for almost a decade.

Literally the last time I saw someone NOT get kicked in WoW for that was during Burning Crusade when the Guild I ran was progging in Karazhan and the only reason I couldn't kick the other healer despite being the guild leader was that she was married to my maintank...
- Eventually I leveled my own tank and tossed them both out, solely because of her.

You can't blame this one in WoW. These days WoW healers are expected to DPS and do mechanics even more than FFXIV healers are.

Especially priests. Even Holy priests DPS.

Don't let a bad player try and get off the hook by blaming it on another game - she'd get kicked out of even leveling content over there. Heck people would vote her out of even her own solo questing... They can't, but they'd figure out how to do it anyway. Folks would be so mad about that they'd probably make a virus just with her name on it just to block her account out of the game, and given the mods over there - it'd probably be one of the Blizzard mods that did it...

in WoW from what my partner tells me, most healers dont DPS bc healing checks are harder, BUT good healers DPS.

Nah. If the healers have low DPS in WoW, they get tossed. Especially in prog.

THE META healer in WoW right now is the meta because it can out-DPS half the DPS... the Holy Paladin.

[RobynDaBank]

I was Holy + Discipline Priest in WoW a few months ago. We don't have a Lucid Dreaming, but a talent row where one of the abilities give us Mana back. I remember two from my memory that got used and the third got ignored: Power Word: Solace was an on-CD damage ability that gave 1% mana back each time, or a 1-minute CD minion that when attacking also gave mana back. Honestly perhaps I played it wrong - though I went up to Heroic in PuGs with multiple Mythic raiders looking over my shoulders and never got told I'm doing it wrong - but at some point you're passively losing mana and you will bottom out and need to pot.

As Discipline it was a lot like what healing in FFXIV is: you damage, occasionally give Atonement to someone and passive-heal them through DPS (like Sage but a lot stronger) and every minute or so depending on mechanics (speaking Castle Nathria) I'd have to shield everyone up, let out some bigger damage abilities that also had CDs, and soak out + heal the big damage that went out during the mechanic. I remember at least using my Covenant ability and my shadowy minion at these times, and they made my shield larger so I had to carry this all out in a 15 second window. It took out IIRC 10-20% of my mana to shield 20+ people this way, so eventually there would come a point where my mana would be 30% or below, with little to do except pot every 5 minutes and rely on my shield time to use my minion.

I honestly can't remember Holy too well. It was like White Mage, very reactive healer, and the best legendary at the time asks you to use 5 (or 4?) casted heals in order to get one free and instant heal. So you used Flash Heal to build up the stacks, and Heal as the instant stack (stackable to 2). It was very mana-consumptive if you stopped paying attention and your stacks ran out. Think using Aetherflow stacks before it came off CD, except your AF stacks are directly time limited. There were other tools like a range-limited regenerate and an Essential Dignity/Benediction style big heal that healed big but had a 1 minute cooldown. Mana regeneration was Symbol of Hope: "Bolster the morale of raid members within 40 yds. They each recover 60 sec of cooldown of a major defensive ability, and regain 18% of their missing mana, over 5 sec." 5 minute cooldown!

Holy was a lot less heavy on your mana usage besides your extra tools and that one casted heal you had to use every 10 seconds or so to keep your legendary's stacks up.

It's worth taking into account that fights in WoW didn't last 15+ minutes, if what I heard of FFXIV Savage was true. Enrage was shorter.