Please fix the “naked queueing” for Aliance Raids

[Averax]

The point of roulettes is to fill up duties for new players. I've done many alliance raid runs recently and I dont remember getting any of the crystal tower raids without also having the first time completion bonus active.

Yeah and maybe new players wanna tackle the void ark saga, or ivalice, or nier.

The problem being discussed in this thread is people who are stripping down before queuing for roulettes to lower their ilvl so they don't get put into any of those other raids, and will just get LOTA or ST. Thereby making it more difficult to queue up for any other raid.

The simple solution to this is to simply have the game check for bag item level, if the gear in your bag is equipable by your current job, and is of a higher item level, then it will be counted when going into queue.

Before alliance roulette it was borderline impossible to get a group going for any non-current alliance raid, and now people are using game mechanics to make it difficult to do anything other than the CT saga.

[Plastics]

Or people can stop being cowards and actually do the other alliance raids. Complaining they want a challenge then balk and run the second a higher level alliance raid comes in.

Alliance raids aren't difficult. They've been made slow and tedious. Bosses have become massive damage sponges. Even in parse groups in ShB where everyone is 98%+, the instances take longer than ARR. That's with 0 mistakes, people being BiS and using food/pots and skipping many mechanics.

I did Nier raids 20-30 times each. I'll be fine if I never step foot in another one of them.

We're talking about a daily reward which isn't significant. If we don't get ARR every time, nobody will ever queue for these.

[Saraide]

Yeah and maybe new players wanna tackle the void ark saga, or ivalice, or nier.

The problem being discussed in this thread is people who are stripping down before queuing for roulettes to lower their ilvl so they don't get put into any of those other raids, and will just get LOTA or ST. Thereby making it more difficult to queue up for any other raid.

The simple solution to this is to simply have the game check for bag item level, if the gear in your bag is equipable by your current job, and is of a higher item level, then it will be counted when going into queue.

Before alliance roulette it was borderline impossible to get a group going for any non-current alliance raid, and now people are using game mechanics to make it difficult to do anything other than the CT saga.

And who guarantees everyone who is ilvl cheesing now will still queue up alliance roulette? What if most of they deem it no longer worth it if it really leads to a lot more non CT raids, which is already not guaranteed.

[Sove92]

Or people can stop being cowards and actually do the other alliance raids. Complaining they want a challenge then balk and run the second a higher level alliance raid comes in.

Has nothing to do with being a coward, but everything with LotA-VA taking significantly less time for more or less the exact same reward. Trial roulette already gives you almost double the EXP for the longer ones, no reason why the alliance roulette can't do the same.

[RyuDragnier]

We're talking about a daily reward which isn't significant. If we don't get ARR every time, nobody will ever queue for these.

*looks at the multitude of relic quests where CT is the fastest method*

Are you sure about that?

[lezard21]

IMO CT should be separated from Alliance Roulette pretty much in the same vein as Castrum/Prae are separated from Leveling/Level 50 roulette.

CT is currently the only raid that is story mandatory, sprouts don't find out about the other raids and unlock them till much later, it's a fast way to grind level 80 relic materials, AND since it's easy it's exploited by naked queuers. As a result, 9/10 Alliance Roulettes end up sending you to a CT raid.

I'd separate CT into a Roulette: Story Alliance (or include it into Roulette: Main Scenario), and keep the other raids into Roulette: Alliance.

[M0rrigan]

Imo it's a bad approach to blame the players, and not the game. I love NieR raids but when you've already done all raids more than enough times to farm full glamour sets, pets, orchestrion rolls, hairstyles and everything else, you've already "completed" that piece of content, and I can't blame people who have done those raids hundreds of times if they want to cheese it to make it faster. Blame how the game works by giving the same amount of experience regardless of effort and time invested, not the people who are burnt out and only seek the experience from them, for something that you do every day. NieR raids are taking about 40 to 50 minutes on average these days, compared to 10~15 minutes runs from lv50 raids, it's more than double.

It's just what happened with Castrum in Bozja and Dalriada in Zadnor. If it's not worth doing compared to faster routes or profitable, no one does it, and it affects people who need those to continue their Bozja progression, but you can't blame players for not wanting to do something that takes a long time for nothing. The result was SE taking feedback and buffing Castrum back then, even though Dalriada remains pointless right now.

So instead of blaming the players for seeking the faster route, give SE feedback and encourage others to do so, so they change how it works to make it worth running longer raids.

[AbysmalDuck]

At the end of the day you want tomes. And if I can get them in half the time with next to no work I'm going to do it. Sure I'd rather get more xp if I'm leveling, but even then I'd rather hedge the safe bet. It's not up to me to come up with a solution. It's the corporation we pay our subscriptions to.

Ah, the ole the teacher didn't put a box around me and gave me the opportunity to copy off someone else's paper, so I did. It's THEIR fault that they didn't keep me from doing it. Let's put all morals aside.

[Baxcel]

And who guarantees everyone who is ilvl cheesing now will still queue up alliance roulette? What if most of they deem it no longer worth it if it really leads to a lot more non CT raids, which is already not guaranteed.

Who cares if the cheese-heads don't do the roulette anymore? You guys keep saying over an over how not many people do the cheese?

But seriously, a roulette is random, if you don't want a random dungeon then don't do the roulette and let people who are actually following the way the roulette was intended play.

[Front2battle]

@Baxel, I think not. I LIKE crystal tower. You want to run something else, then queue specific. YOU don't get the roulette. *I* am fine with it.

I didn't have any interest in any of the others and only begrudgingly did copied factory for the materiel crate.

Why should I be forced to do content I don't want because you're stuck doing content you don't want?

Because its a fucking roulette. if you want to play crystal tower that much then queue for it DIRECTLY.