Can we please get rid of square and circle arenas for every trials and 8 men raids?

[Krotoan]

Yes, those are very casual. I am talking about 8 men raids and trials.

Ohh.. OHHH


you're the "we need an afterlife expansion .. LIKE WOW" AND the "the game should have content to keep people playing like addicts.. LIKE WOW!" guy.


Man. I was all trying to engage someone on learning what the "no square or circle" people wanted and I fell for the troll.

You haven't even done the Alliance Raids that are still moderately challenging yet. And you start in with "those are very casual"?

Like.. just.. WHY?

[Velnora]

Ohh.. OHHH


you're the "we need an afterlife expansion .. LIKE WOW" AND the "the game should have content to keep people playing like addicts.. LIKE WOW!" guy.


Man. I was all trying to engage someone on learning what the "no square or circle" people wanted and I fell for the troll.

You haven't even done the Alliance Raids that are still moderately challenging yet. And you start in with "those are very casual"?

Like.. just.. WHY?

Why is it always WoW? Ya know, there are other mmos out there. People already play this game like addicts. Point?

[Krotoan]

Why is it always WoW? Ya know, there are other mmos out there. People already play this game like addicts. Point?

Ask the guy who keeps referring to WoW in the posts I'm referencing? It wasn't me.

[Rolder50]

You haven't even done the Alliance Raids that are still moderately challenging yet. And you start in with "those are very casual"

Alliance raids are generally pretty easy; they re-use mechanics so much that once you have a bit of experience with them you can basically do any of them with your eyes closed. That and the no enrage timer factor; as long as someone with a rez is still alive you can usually scrape enough bodies off the floor to clear.

[Sicno]

An aspect that many may be missing and not appreciating is the practicality of the squares in relation to the party size of 8 when it comes to encounter design. A square has 4 corners. 4 x 2 = 8. You can send 2 players to each corner to do a mechanic or half the party (all 4 dps or healers + tanks) each going to a different corner. Or if you gotta spread out around the boss (something that is used in many variants of mechanics) 4 people take cardinal positions and the other 4 take the corners.

Speaking of cardinal positions, those also help orientate the party for different types of mechanics. When calling out a mechanic it's easier to say "NE" than "on the rough patch around the bush".

And yet another thing to keep in mind is that normally you're not meant to interact with the edges of the arena. You don't go charging into a wall. They're just delimitations of "this is as far as you can go" and having them be such standarized shapes helps keeping it clean and fair for everybody.

[QooEr]

And yet another thing to keep in mind is that normally you're not meant to interact with the edges of the arena. You don't go charging into a wall. They're just delimitations of "this is as far as you can go" and having them be such standarized shapes helps keeping it clean and fair for everybody.

i mean, if you dont interact with the edge anyways, why not at least make the arena be organic and actually look like its part of its environment then? i personally dont understand the issue people have with the shapes of the arenas, but i agree itd be nice if they blended with the terrain a little better i suppose.



ironically the most creative arenas in my opinion have all been squares. a8s and a5s made you interact a ton with the terrain itself, and they were, well, squares.

[Sicno]

i mean, if you dont interact with the edge anyways, why not at least make the arena be organic and actually look like its part of its environment then?

Because nobody wants to be assigned to the shitty, broken part of the arena with less space to move. I said "you're not meant to", that doesn't mean you're not going to get knocked against the death wall or blown off the platform as part of some mechanic. The uneven shapes make such mechanics more random to survive. If you had been knocked 2° to the left or right you would have lived but sadly you got knocked into a pointy part of the edge.

[Krotoan]

Alliance raids are generally pretty easy; they re-use mechanics so much that once you have a bit of experience with them you can basically do any of them with your eyes closed. That and the no enrage timer factor; as long as someone with a rez is still alive you can usually scrape enough bodies off the floor to clear.

The point isn't that alliance raids are super hard. Just they aren't all Crystal Tower, which at this point is so overgeared it's laughable. If you use it as a baseline, which OP must be (as well as trolling like heck), it's not a stretch to say that they'd be surprised by the Ivalice or Nier raids.

Yeah , the majority of people here on the forums probably don't find them difficult. But by sheer fact of how many people I get to scrape off the floor during my daily roulette, they aren't a purely casual thing. Heck even WoD Raids have piles of bodies on the floor because people are moving from Crystal tower to those and expecting the same zerg fest.

[ArkenaeuxBelmont]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DoDERGyYM_k

It had to be done.

I do not apologize.