Feedback: November is not fall, please don't try to mislead players.

[DragoAskani]

https://www.almanac.com/content/firs...inter-solstice

I'll just leave this here.

[MikkoAkure]

September, October, November = Autumn.
December, January, February = Winter.
March, April, May = Spring.
June, July, August = Summer.

That's how I class it anyway, rest of you can use whatever system you like.

21st Dec. is a bit of a ridiculous start point though IMHO, that's the winter solstice.

Posting again in a troll thread but...

The astronomical reckonings of the seasons of the Earth are based on the equinoxes and solstices, when the planet itself is either at the apex of its tilt, or is straight up and down in relation to the sun. Anything else is just based on "feelings". The calendar we all use was invented by a Roman dictator over 2000 years ago and was slightly adjusted to take into account the true length of the year, about 450 years ago. Basing the seasons around that isn't very scientific. North America and Europe, minus Ireland, Scandinavia, and Russia, all use the astronomical readings for the starts of the seasons. East Asia uses their own definitions but it seems like Yoshi-P referenced the astronomical definitions for his comment on release anyhow.

[Exosapien]

Yeap you guys down under have everything upside down :P

Eh, I live in the states and considering how backwards a lot of people and just about all of the things are here I'm inclined to believe we're the ones upside down.

[Jandor]

Guys, astronomical winter is not winter in general. Winter starts on a whole bunch of different dates depending on location, culture and even the weather.

Don't really see why people are so invested in which side of the Autumn/Winter divide it lands anyway tbh.
As far as I'm concerned it was going to come out in Autumn, and now it's going to come out in Winter. It's the delay that sucks, not the Winter release.

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The astronomical reckonings of the seasons of the Earth are based on the equinoxes and solstices, when the planet itself is either at the apex of its tilt, or is straight up and down in relation to the sun. Anything else is just based on "feelings". The calendar we all use was invented by a Roman dictator over 2000 years ago and was slightly adjusted to take into account the true length of the year, about 450 years ago. Basing the seasons around that isn't very scientific.

Not everything has to be you know, it's totally fine to base the timing of the seasons around how people feel.

[Unholychinchilla]

I think the more pertinent question now is why does matter what season it's in, at this point?

Once a specific date was announced (and still after that date was delayed), whichever season they originally slated it for doesn't really effect much.

[MikkoAkure]

Guys, meteorological winter is not winter in general. Winter starts on a whole bunch of different dates depending on location, culture and even the weather.

Don't really see why people are so invested in which side of the Autumn/Winter divide it lands anyway tbh.

“Meteorological” literally means “study of weather”. I think you mean “astronomical”. The astronomical definition would be the equinoxes and the solstices. The meteorological definition would be based on the weather.

90% of the English-speaking world uses the astronomical definition. People have already said this over and over so I’m not sure why you’re so invested on trying to push your own personal idea of when you think it should be here.

[Jandor]

“Meteorological” literally means “study of weather”. I think you mean “astronomical”. The astronomical definition would be the equinoxes and the solstices. The meteorological definition would be based on the weather.

90% of the English-speaking world uses the astronomical definition. People have already said this over and over so I’m not sure why you’re so invested on trying to push your own personal idea of when you think it should be here.

I did mean astronomical, got it backwards with meteorologists, who are the ones that use the same definition I do where December is in Winter.

As for 90% of the English-speaking world using the astronomical definition, nah, they very clearly don't. In every day use pretty much everyone uses the "meteorological" definition.

[Skivvy]

I welcome you all to come to southern California so that you may enjoy our endless Summer and Spring!

[Nothv13]

I did mean astronomical, got it backwards with meteorologists, who are the ones that use the same definition I do where December is in Winter.

As for 90% of the English-speaking world using the astronomical definition, nah, they very clearly don't. In every day use pretty much everyone uses the "meteorological" definition.

Most have no idea about any actual seasons other than Summer Sun, Spring Rain, Fall leaves, and Winter Snow. Meteorological definition is extremely imprecise and too wildly variable to make any timed plans around.

[Jandor]

Most have no idea about any actual seasons other than Summer Sun, Spring Rain, Fall leaves, and Winter Snow. Meteorological definition is extremely imprecise and too wildly variable to make any timed plans around.

By the meteorological calendar, the first day of winter is always the 1st December. I wouldn't say that's particularly imprecise or variable.

This argument does however feel a little moot at this point, as far as I can see the Endwalker site no longer cites a Fall release anyway. It just says the new date.