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    Eli85's Avatar
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    Eldred Draconis
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    Quote Originally Posted by ElazulHP View Post
    A wild white knight appears...

    ...but seriously, them making the mistake of buying the game on Steam shouldn't mean they get bent over due to poor policy decisions made by Square. Also, what about those of us that purchased the game during ARR? The decision to lock people into Steam wasn't made until HW released. It's a really bad decision to go forward with this and I know I will be unsubscribing for sure if this impacts me negatively in any way shape or form and we're not given the option to convert our licenses or buy non-PC licenses. Because right now we can't even just go buy a non-Steam license and apply it to our account. We would have to abandon our 5 year old characters. That isn't going to happen. I'd rather quit the game entirely first.

    EDIT: Furthermore, ESO did this as well in the past. I remember I was one of the ones impacted. Unable to play for days or weeks at a time. Anytime the Steam authentication servers died, you couldn't play. Give you three guess why I don't play that game anymore and the first two don't count.

    White knighting? No. More just understanding what companies are allowed to do, under their terms of service, which you agree to when you purchase a game from them (in this case, Steam). The only way you have an argument is a) there is no provision in the ToS for this; or b) there is no ToS. Neither A or B is true, so railing against this decision is just ignorance.
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    Nomfur Farredzasyn
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    Omega
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eli85 View Post
    White knighting? No. More just understanding what companies are allowed to do, under their terms of service, which you agree to when you purchase a game from them (in this case, Steam). The only way you have an argument is a) there is no provision in the ToS for this; or b) there is no ToS. Neither A or B is true, so railing against this decision is just ignorance.
    And there may be parts of the TOS that is illegal by law in certain countries. I can make a TOS of whatever I want, but if parts of the TOS go against laws in certain countries, said parts of the TOS can't be upheld in those countries. And there may be legal ramifications for the lock in with no prior communication until after a lot of people had bought it. Could potentially even result in a class action.
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    White Mage ~ Scholar ~ Paladin
    Quote Originally Posted by Spiroglyph View Post
    Boi if you got kicked for the same thing in over 20 duties I strongly suggest you think hard on whatever the hell it is you're doing

    As I'm sure you are well aware, it takes more than one person to be able to kick a player from a duty, so in all those instances there were at least two people agreeing they'd be better off without you tanking.

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    Fawkes Macleod
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eli85 View Post
    The only way you have an argument is a) there is no provision in the ToS for this; or b) there is no ToS. Neither A or B is true, so railing against this decision is just ignorance.
    Just because the ToS says they can do something doesn't mean you can't make a valid argument against it. The ToS says they can delete your character whenever they want, but if they did you'd still be plenty mad.
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