A popular MMO reviewer gave FFXIV Shadowbringers the thumbs down o.o

[CazzT]

Considering that a lot of YouTubers have zero quality control and zero journalistic responsibility, you may want to think twice before picking this hill for your last stand.

Let me clear what you're clearly missing. I was comparing YouTubers to games "journalists". And I have no idea what you're even getting at with "hill for your last stand". That doesn't even apply in this conversation.

As for "zero quality control" and "journalistic responsibility", you must be thinking of the small channels that only 100 subs, if not less. I'm referring to channels that have 100k or more. If they don't impose quality control and integrity on themselves, they wouldn't be where they are with 100k or more subs. You seem to be just throwing out comments in an attempt to sound smart. It's not working in your favor.

Say what you want about gaming journalists

Which is what I was doing by pointing out that YouTubers actually spend time learning about the content they make., but at the very least most are able to maintain a respectful stance towards developers even when they're heavily criticizing a game.

That's obviously something this particular YouTube is unable or unwilling to do with his continuous jabs at "the developers" and that's certainly an aspect that plagues YouTubers in a rather widespread way, considering that one of the primary ways (if not THE primary way) to be successful on YouTube is being as hyperbolic and over the top as possible.

It's comments like this that show you almost understand. I can't speak on this specific video from TLP yet, I haven't had the chance to watch it yet. But his content overall I've watched most of. He's well versed in game development, he has a good grasp of game mechanics, and he has a good understanding of what does and does not work for players. Not everyone is going to agree with everything he says, but I can say with certainty that most of his videos are very fair in their criticisms. I don't even agree with him on some points makes. The accusations you're making against him show a lack of knowledge about his content.

I have no interest or reason to give this person any more attention or any more of my time. We're talking about a specific video, and this specific video is chock full of arrogant, toxic attacks and jabs towards the game's developers, which is pretty literally the worst possible way to approach critique.

At least you admit you want to remain ignorant. I'm eager to watch this video that so many people REEEEEing. Something tells me everything I've said about you is going to be reinforced after I see it. And no, not because I'm defending him (i would defend you if someone were making these kind of accusations against you and i knew you well enough to know they weren't accurate).

This is a pretty poor attempt at deflection. We're talking about a very specific video about a very specific game. His "content" is irrelevant. After seeing a video literally drooling arrogance and lack of respect towards a whole development team, the mask is off.

If a restaurant puts a rotten, flea-ridden appetizer on my table, I have no need to go through the whole meal to know it's a bad restaurant.

You're trying to accuse me of fallacies without understanding what fallacies even are.
There's no deflection. You're attacking TLP about a video you haven't even watched. You're making judgements about him based on one video, which means you're just attacking him for no reason. I'm pointing out that he has a history of being fair. And it's comments like "literally drooling arrogance" it's clear you have no self awareness because you yourself are "literally drooling arrogance".

[Auryan]

There was no false claim made. She pointed out that there are people asking SE to take down his video. That's not "expressing their disagreement" Actually go read what she wrote.

I read her comment. Partially agreed with the general sentiment, but really disagreed with faking nice and not expressing disagreement and critique. And those people calling for bans are outliers that don't speak for the majority. Those people are wrong and no one is in good faith defending them.

There are some people here remarking that Peon has a habit of rushing through games and giving the most superficial of criticism for the very YT desire for attention. But hey, no one should be saying that. That'd be harassment and would ruin the community's pristine reputation or something.

[Abriael]

I don't agree with TheLazyPeon's review, but I really don't agree at all with the people slamming him over his own opinion.

His opinion isn't the problem. You can have a negative opinion about something without going out of your way to sound like a disrespectful asshole about it. That is plenty to completely remove any credibility he might think he has.

Let me clear what you're clearly missing. I was comparing YouTubers to games "journalists". And I have no idea what you're even getting at with "hill for your last stand". That doesn't even apply in this conversation.

As for "zero quality control" and "journalistic responsibility", you must be thinking of the small channels that only 100 subs, if not less. I'm referring to channels that have 100k or more. If they don't impose quality control and integrity on themselves, they wouldn't be where they are with 100k or more subs. You seem to be just throwing out comments in an attempt to sound smart. It's not working in your favor.

The video you're so fervently defending proves you wrong. He clearly has more than 100k subscribers, and there is zero quality control or integrity involved here. The way he addressed the developers of this game is absolutely despicable.

By your logic, people like Logan Paul (who has several MILLION subscribers) would need to have quality control and integrity, which he clearly does not as recent events (and many more instances) have often proven.

Which is what I was doing by pointing out that YouTubers actually spend time learning about the content they make., but at the very least most are able to maintain a respectful stance towards developers even when they're heavily criticizing a game.

This one certainly isn't, and that's very common to many, many youtubers. Being over the top, disrespectful, and hyperbolic is one of the keys to success on YouTube. People like Jim Sterling, Angry Joe, and many more clearly show that.

It's comments like this that show you almost understand. I can't speak on this specific video from TLP yet, I haven't had the chance to watch it yet. But his content overall I've watched most of. He's well versed in game development, he has a good grasp of game mechanics, and he has a good understanding of what does and does not work for players. Not everyone is going to agree with everything he says, but I can say with certainty that most of his videos are very fair in their criticisms. I don't even agree with him on some points makes. The accusations you're making against him show a lack of knowledge about his content.

If he is "well versed in game development" this video certainly does not prove it. As a matter of fact, it shows the opposite. Playing games does not make you "well versed" in any form of game development.

At least you admit you want to remain ignorant. I'm eager to watch this video that so many people REEEEEing. Something tells me everything I've said about you is going to be reinforced after I see it. And no, not because I'm defending him (i would defend you if someone were making these kind of accusations against you and i knew you well enough to know they weren't accurate).

A random YouTuber's lowbrow content is not the kind of "knowledge" I seek, especially considering that the first video I've seen was so low in quality and so ridden with arrogance.

Again, if a restaurant puts a piece of rotten, stinky meat with maggots as an appetizer on my table, I don't need the full meal to know it's a bad restaurant.

You're trying to accuse me of fallacies without understanding what fallacies even are.
There's no deflection. You're attacking TLP about a video you haven't even watched. You're making judgements about him based on one video, which means you're just attacking him for no reason. I'm pointing out that he has a history of being fair. And it's comments like "literally drooling arrogance" it's clear you have no self awareness because you yourself are "literally drooling arrogance".

Oh boy. I have watched the full video before it was even posted here since it was on reddit (and I want those 8 minutes of my life back). Which is funny, because you haven't. His "history" (or better, your very personal opinion of his history) is irrelevant to this discussion.

Now you're just being disingenuous.

[Sarevok_Thordin]

It's his own opinion really so......what?

Shadowbringers has been a great story experience and I am enjoying myself.

He is obviously a bit miffed the game has gear gates in it and has little interest in the story which is one of FFXIV's biggest strengths, that's just how he does it.

Obviously a lot of people disagree with him going by that like/dislike ratio.

Someone also said he likes posting TERA online videos which baffles me as that game is 20x the grind of FFXIV.

[xxvaynxx]

How is it not? Especially when the person is not behaving that way.

She isn't calling out the whole community, just the people attacking TLP while claiming that FFXIV's community is one of the best. In other words, she's calling out hypocrites.

I haven't seen the video yet, but I have watched most of his reviews. I can't see him "shamelessly bashing" FFXIV. Especially since he's done other reviews on it and they've been fair and positive.

You do realize some people use snark and sarcasm to make their content more entertaining, right? TLP does this.

Pot, meet kettle.

There was no false claim made. She pointed out that there are people asking SE to take down his video. That's not "expressing their disagreement" Actually go read what she wrote.

If you haven't watched the video....why the are you defending it?...Talk about blind follower.

Also not looking for respectful replies so nice trying to close with a "school"

also what if some YouTubers use snark? that has nothing to do with this video. This was pure bash, but honestly. Not going to repeat myself, you're clearly a fan of this guy so nothing I or most people will say will go through to you.

Blind Fanboy-ism is blind.

Even people that like his content disagree with much of his views on ffxiv, maybe you should take off your blindfold and see that this video is utter trash :P

[Sparhwk]

To be honest Shadowbringers isn't anything new. At 75 now and the story is mediorce. We don't really do anything different than before. Content is all the same as the last 2 xpansions. There's nothing new or amazing gimmick or whatnot. Sidequests are shit for the most part yet there's a ton of them and it feels like busy work.
It's more of the same following the basic wow formula as they've done since ARR.

[Ashennae]

His opinion isn't the problem. You can have a negative opinion about something without going out of your way to sound like a disrespectful asshole about it. That is plenty to completely remove any credibility he might think he has.

I was referring more to comments such as these ->

SquareEnix should contact Youtube to get that video taken down o.o.

i wouldn't worry, lazypeon is an opinionated prick

The bottom line is that there's no need to stoop to ad hominem attacks, even if TheLazyPeon did basically the same thing in regards to the game. In truth, his formula was reminiscent of early 2013 TheMysteriousMrEnter style of reviewing in which the creators are often attacked. Equally disrespectful. I'm not defending TheLazyPeon or his review methods, but I think we can be better than this.

[Escadora]

To be honest Shadowbringers isn't anything new. At 75 now and the story is mediorce. We don't really do anything different than before. Content is all the same as the last 2 xpansions. There's nothing new or amazing gimmick or whatnot. Sidequests are shit for the most part yet there's a ton of them and it feels like busy work.
It's more of the same following the basic wow formula as they've done since ARR.

The story is mediocre?

The content is all the same as the last two expansions?

WOW FORMULA?

What game are you playing?

[CazzT]

If you haven't watched the video....why the are you defending it?...Talk about blind follower.

Talk about misunderstanding. I'm not defending the video and I've made that abundantly clear. I'm pointing out that people are attacking him based on ignorance.

This was pure bash, but honestly. Not going to repeat myself, you're clearly a fan of this guy so nothing I or most people will say will go through to you.

I often see people saying that someone is bashing or attacking something simply because the person disagrees. Based on what I've seen of his videos in the past, I'm highly skeptical of the accusations being thrown at him.

Blind Fanboy-ism is blind.

Blind hatred is just as bad. Good thing I'm not a fanboy.

Even people that like his content disagree with his views on ffxiv, maybe you should take off your blindfold and see that this video is utter trash :P

Maybe you should stop throwing accusations. I have disagreed with him on numerous things. I don't accuse him of bashing because I disagree. You clearly do, though.

[Abriael]

I was referring more to comments such as these ->

The bottom line is that there's no need to stoop to ad hominem attacks, even if TheLazyPeon did basically the same thing in regards to the game. In truth, his formula was reminiscent of early 2013 TheMysteriousMrEnter style of reviewing in which the creators are often attacked. Equally disrespectful. I'm not defending TheLazyPeon or his review methods, but I think we can be better than this.

I'm not sure about getting the video taken down considering that it doesn't violate YouTube's terms of service or SE's copyrights, but an "opinionated prick" is exactly the vibe this video conveys, to a T.

I'm pointing out that people are attacking him based on ignorance.

People are attacking him based on watching his own video.

Which is way more knowledge about the topic at hand than what you're exhibiting. So much for "ignorance."