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  1. #101
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    Quote Originally Posted by juliet_brave View Post
    Lore also told us we couldn't play male Miqote and female Roe because they were too rare. XIV cares so much about being faithful to lore that suddenly Ashe and Rasler are siblings in Ivalice. Yeah, ok.
    Just because the vase is already cracked doesn't mean you should shatter it.
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  2. #102
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    Quote Originally Posted by DamianFatale View Post
    The definition of sexism is anything that limits, or restricts a gender on the basis of gender roles.

    Not letting us play female Hrothgar because they stay at home to protect the children is sexist.

    Not letting us play male Viera because they are out in the woods doing stereotypical man stuff is sexist.
    No it's not, because it's a fictional story.

    You guys are using the word "sexist" too swiftly, and by doing that you're watering down it's meaning, and that's a direct insult to people who suffer/suffered sexism.
    What a shame, it hurts to read the official forum these days. People are losing their minds over something really stupid.
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  3. #103
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    It certainly does look like casual, and probably unintentional, sexism to me (taking the first dictionary definition from Lunelagos' post above: 1. attitudes or behavior based on traditional stereotypes of gender roles). Lingerie wearing females and hulky, muscular male warriors are about as stereotypical as you can get.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jemi View Post
    There's nothing inherently wrong with sex appeal or beastliness, but the exclusion of each race's opposite gender rubs me the wrong way. Although we're speaking of a fictional world, it was still made by real people. They didn't grow up in a vacuum; their work won't be completely removed from reality either. Culture influences all of us. Unfortunately, culture still isn't all that great about gender expectations.

    At the end of the day, yeah, it's just a game and it's not as serious as any of the examples you listed, but that still doesn't make it hunky dory either, you know? Something doesn't have to be the worst thing ever to make it worth pointing out.
    This is how I feel about it. I'm not raging, I'm not mortally offended by the genderlock on these two races but I am disappointed. Considering genderlocks were removed in ARR, giving us the muscular fem Roe and the lithe male miqo'te, this decision seems like a step back to me.
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    Last edited by Solarra; 03-26-2019 at 06:55 PM.

  4. #104
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    It's not sexism imo. Maybe some "hate" toward bunny boys from Yoshi-P (reminding the bunny suit case), for Ronso, maybe it's just to not have only one of the 2 new race gender lock.
    As for lore, the game says Viera male exist.

    And btw, if we were following lore, there wouldn't be any Au Ra in Eorzea, and they couldn't set a foot in Ishgard without a hood of some kind so... I might be wrong be i'll settle with the "he doesn't like bunny boy'' theory. For as useless it is.
    ARR removed genderlocks, which were cool to me as I like to play a race as I please. It is but a game after all.
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  5. #105
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    Guys. The real reason why male Vieras aren't happening is because Viera were a "last minute" project. This is confirmed a second time in the Mr. Happy interview. We were originally just going to get Hrothgars o:

    Also they really dunno what to go with for the male Viera, since we've never seen one before. Yoshi-P even said "Perhaps an elezen body with a miqo’te face and bunny ears. Would this be the right way to add this race to the game?"
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  6. #106
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nestama View Post
    Guys. The real reason why male Vieras aren't happening is because Viera were a "last minute" project. This is confirmed a second time in the Mr. Happy interview. We were originally just going to get Hrothgars o:

    Also they really dunno what to go with for the male Viera, since we've never seen one before. Yoshi-P even said "Perhaps an elezen body with a miqo’te face and bunny ears. Would this be the right way to add this race to the game?"
    So that's it. Let's just wait then.

    If they don't know there's tons of fanart from where they can pick though.
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  7. #107
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nestama View Post
    Guys. The real reason why male Vieras aren't happening is because Viera were a "last minute" project. This is confirmed a second time in the Mr. Happy interview. We were originally just going to get Hrothgars o:
    I feel people do not read things. Yoshi-P said aloud it's time when they made decision and about recourses but community continues to bring up lore as main reason. ツ (or well, that's just their opinion that they can have)

    Also they really dunno what to go with for the male Viera, since we've never seen one before. Yoshi-P even said "Perhaps an elezen body with a miqo’te face and bunny ears. Would this be the right way to add this race to the game?"
    Very reasonable point. If look at feedback tho, people were very positive about concept arts that were showed in 3.0, where males were something between elezens, miqo'tes and au ra. Tall (seem to be a little bit shorter than females on art? About 8-10cm? Can be just angle though), slender but still muscular, good-looking face. But even with this feedback it's still a quite hard to decide how to create them.
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    Last edited by Halivel; 03-26-2019 at 08:02 PM.

  8. #108
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    Quote Originally Posted by Halivel View Post
    I feel people do not read things. Yoshi-P said aloud it's not about lore but about time when they made decision and about recourses but community continues to bring up lore as main reason. ツ
    I just read here about the interview. Not everyone are after every MrHappy stuff.
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  9. #109
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    Quote Originally Posted by LyraKuroneko View Post
    I just read here about the interview. Not everyone are after every MrHappy stuff.
    Sure, just, it was posted here almost right after the release or maybe a little bit later.
    And Yoshida talked about recourse at interview on FanFest as well (there was a mistranslation though. Not serious one, but still).
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