All Greed on Alliance loot

[Ageofwar]

Well everyone is presuming that there is an equal chance of every piece of gear can drop.

It wouldn't surprise me if gear for the least played jobs has a better chance of dropping along with hands, feet and waist, ie the bits people least want to loot on.

The issue with this though would be it's most likely since it keep people in the content for longer and once you add an all greed system on top of this it just makes things worse

I know what people are going to say to this "RNG is RNG and I should shut up"

[Ariane]

Screw direct loot, implement a token system.

It's the fairest you can get, because everyone needs to do the exact same amount of runs for a given item. It still allows people to play what they like instead of what they need the loot for. You can tune it to take as many runs to get an item as you want people to run it in a week. It completely gets rid of the question what you use the item for in the end and which purpose is more or less justified, main, alt, seals, glam, whatever. It removes the issue of people bailing after X boss. Literally the only downside is that you can't get instant gratification by lucking out the first run.

Well if you really wanted to keep the possibility to luck out and get something on the first one run, you can still have it with a token system. If you do X runs of the alliance raid without winning a piece of gear for the week, you get a token when leaving the instance after X time. Getting the token would mark you off as getting loot for the week, so you can't get both random gear and a token in the same week. The token would just act as safety so you can't go for too long without getting anything.

[CosmicKirby]

I don't think they should take away the Need option in Alliance Raids. Just add tokens you can trade for the gear like in the 8 man normal raids.

I vote for either this. Or the weekly 'personal loot' option that WoW provides.

The former gives a far better opportunity to gear up off-jobs though.

[MoroMurasaki]

Todays, mathematically a healer has it harder to get a piece in x runs than a tank. A DRG always has it easier than a MNK and both have it easier than a caster. Period.

How is it more fair? How? Instead if people having mediocre chances of being the only/1 of 2 players rolling for an item now everyone has totally random odds? What is this, Social Justice: The Game?


You are in the minority because you're the one who's wrong here.

Plenty of people (myself included) geared Casters through Rab - Casters who, statistically, have the highest chance of sharing loot drops woth other players. Well, apart from healers who always share, which I also grabbed a few Rab pieces for.

You're a broken record, saying the same thing over and over as if you're going to change anyone's mind with it the 88th time that you couldn't on the 87th. We are just as informed about this as you (if not more, I did actual math) but the difference is we are applying logic and reason to this change and finding it to be awful.

[Neophyte]

How is it more fair? How? Instead if people having mediocre chances of being the only/1 of 2 players rolling for an item now everyone has totally random odds? What is this, Social Justice: The Game?

You are in the minority because you're the one who's wrong here.

Plenty of people (myself included) geared Casters through Rab - Casters who, statistically, have the highest chance of sharing loot drops woth other players. Well, apart from healers who always share, which I also grabbed a few Rab pieces for.

You're a broken record, saying the same thing over and over as if you're going to change anyone's mind with it the 88th time that you couldn't on the 87th. We are just as informed about this as you (if not more, I did actual math) but the difference is we are applying logic and reason to this change and finding it to be awful.

So, what? I don't care if I change peoples mind, at least not as much as people here wanting to change SEs mind on that.
You should rather thank me helping to keep this thread alive... the biggest Eureka thread had something like 20.000 posts with a lot of "I unsub!!!!!!"'s and all we got was a bit more xp and something about turning in crystals.
But you're right, I should rather help to let this topic die and just play on. I recieved your message, now good luck to explain SE that they're "the ones who are wrong" as well. But don't repeat yourself in the process.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

Why doesn't literally everyone queue as dps in 12+ weeks old sigmascape normal, making it impossible to get in by now?
Depending on day and time I have 5 minute queues with every role, let it be tank, heal or dps.
Edit: Just checked; heals/tanks <5 min, dps 5 min. How is that even possible?

Because Sigmascape normal takes less than ten minutes whereas Alliance raids can span close to an hour. I can get 6-8 Kefka normal modes done within the time it'll take for one good Rabanastre. In a bad one? I could come close to doubling that amount. You also have more options with Sigma drops as every token except chains and shafts drop from two encounters.

Put simply, Sigma normal takes significantly less time, thus it remains active. Alliance raids are far longer and more prone to full party wipes.

[MoroMurasaki]

You should rather thank me

I'm sorry, what? I don't understand literally any of what you're going for here.

Good luck with your rolls - we're all gonna need it.

I’m not a fan of this change at all, it seems like it might be a feeble attempt to prolong content as long as possible by using more layers of rng to prevent people from getting drops they’d typically get easier by running as the role they want they want the gear for. That’s fine, SE. I’ll only run these with my static now. At least my days of carrying scrub dps as a healer in these dumpster fire 24 mans are over.

So much this.

[PonifiedBeast]

It's really starting to feel like "Equality" but no way fair to players.

[MrSmiley]

I honestly think at this point they want the game to suffer and are trying to make the EU/NA community quit so they can actually go F2P which is a better business model in the long run since you can change for whatever the hell you want. Obviously JP doesn't care if they pay or not and wallet warriors obviously don't care as they will just fork out the money for whatever they want.

This is incorrect, F2P is only a good model in short bursts, long term a healthy sub game like wow or xiv makes far more than any f2p mmo. The issue is they are now getting greedy and prying into both at the same time. Also having to sabotage their playerbase and force them to quit to change models makes no sense.

This in particular is just a misguided attempt to make something fair...but it was already fair so now its not and its stupid.

In any case, this entirely kills one of my favorite parts of the game. I'm not gonna roll against 7 people for every single items (everyone presses that greed button without a thought). I'll do it once for my upgrade token, that's it. The gear sucks anyways.

Also I'm gonna laugh if this one actually has good looking glamour for once and its now screwed at least we'll have a chance to get it before the weekly lockout is removed and it becomes truly terrible.

[Zephanoa]

I am not sure I understand this change either. I was under the impression that alliance raid is for the casual folks as a primary mode for updating gear and everyone secondary ways of getting gear. I might be okay with this if they were simultaneously increasing the tome limit or removing the tome limit on the same patch.