The fact DRK hasn't been fixed in 10 months is disgraceful.

[Hierro]

my conclusion was that dark knight is taking damage at nearly the same rate in a random sample of data

Then at the very least we can say this study debunks this myth of DRK's "lacking" mitigation. In either case, we know DRK's dps isn't far behind PLD. We are to apply our statements to the general public, and to that extent this data does a great job. Consider that the general public does not even do savage content to begin with. Even within that random sample, utility is a non-factor. With that in mind, does the statement "DRK is fine" not hold water in a general sense?

Isn't this just a bit hypocritical, you think?

I'm not the one littering the forum with nonsense of fear mongering. All I'm trying to do is get people to play a class without fear.

[Chrono_Rising]

Then at the very least we can say this study debunks this myth of DRK's "lacking" mitigation. In either case, we know DRK's dps isn't far behind PLD. We are to apply our statements to the general public, and to that extent this data does a great job. Consider that the general public does not even do savage content to begin with. Even within that random sample, utility is a non-factor. With that in mind, does the statement "DRK is fine" not hold water in a general sense?

You can say I would agree with dark is fine in the sense of mitigation. I would not agree with the statement dark is fine in a general sense. The comment I responded to lacks the context that makes my position clear.

[Hierro]

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But it also appears you agree with the sentiment that there is a need for players to account for their own skill.

We know using a DRK isn't causing healers to work harder, because the study also shows that neither DV nor SiO affected healing done. Now, if SiO is WAR's only real party utility, and if it's not making a difference, then it could be concluded DRK lacking such a tool does not hamper it much.

We can see its damage trails behind the other tanks, but it's not something to write home about. That it's behind WAR is a given, but so is PLD. But how much is the difference between PLD and DRK? It's practically non-existent.

So, if it's fine in mitigation, and the damage is on par with pld, and if utility doesn't seem to be affecting parties, how is that not fine?

[Chrono_Rising]

But it also appears you agree with the sentiment that there is a need for players to account for their own skill.

We know using a DRK isn't causing healers to work harder, because the study also shows that neither DV nor SiO affected healing done. Now, if SiO is WAR's only real party utility, and if it's not making a difference, then it could be concluded DRK lacking such a tool does not hamper it much.

We can see its damage trails behind the other tanks, but it's not something to write home about. That it's behind WAR is a given, but so is PLD. But how much is the difference between PLD and DRK? It's practically non-existent.

So, if it's fine in mitigation, and the damage is on par with pld, and if utility doesn't seem to be affecting parties, how is that not fine?

Again, I feel the need to point out that though yes the primary findings were that skills are only useful when effectively used, that does not mean that they do no have uses that can be exploited by better using cooldowns.

You cannot make this argument:

Dark Knights just need to hone their skills and push their buttons more effectively and they are equal.

SiO and DV are not being used effectively, they are useless.

We cannot have that argument in both directions just because we want it to so it supports our conclusion.

[Hierro]

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I want to reaffirm that I don't believe could be DRK equal to others, no matter the skill. I'm not going to cross my arms in denial infront of raw numbers that state DRK is in third place. What I AM saying is that if people press their buttons and hone their skills, they'll still be in third place, but it won't feel like the tank brings nothing to the table. There is a pervasive mentality around here that DRK holds a party back, but that's so far from the truth.

Can DRK use more love? Certainly, why not. The soft-spoken response from the dev team has been absolutely appropriate considering that the "short-comings" are soft-spoken themselves. Certainly, it's nothing that the general populace should worry about.