Let's talk about Hunts - a detailed rundown of their assumed mechanics

[NoboruSouma]

I've gone as many as five maps in a row without spawning either of them after they'd reached the end of their spawn window, so the chances feel pretty low.

Between the spawn windows and the sheer RNG involved just in getting a map for the right zone, they really ought to have made them guaranteed spawns. I feel the same for Theda and Zone Seeker, as it's taken me as many as nine fish to spawn the latter after its window ended, which took around three hours.

We don't have to forget that this "window" is just something that The Hunt Community brought up because B and A Ranks behave that way - but S Ranks are different as they can go beyond the "windows" we know.
You would think that, even though some are RNG based, that after it's window maxed there would be a guaranteed spawn - but there isn't most of the time.
So it's either there's a bigger window or there's just no guaranteed spawn after the window opened and maxed so it's pure RNG after that again and again and again.

[Kanjishin]

We don't have to forget that this "window" is just something that The Hunt Community brought up because B and A Ranks behave that way - but S Ranks are different as they can go beyond the "windows" we know.
You would think that, even though some are RNG based, that after it's window maxed there would be a guaranteed spawn - but there isn't most of the time.
So it's either there's a bigger window or there's just no guaranteed spawn after the window opened and maxed so it's pure RNG after that again and again and again.

Or that we don't fully understand the trigger.

[Rita1989]

With the 2 map S Ranks they do seem to act differently from every other S rank in the game, which makes me think it's not a normal RNG that increases as window gets longer like most S ranks but rather each time their windows open there is a randomized number of maps that need to be completed and until you reach that number it will not pop, which could explain even after being open for almost a week Pale Rider can still take up to 10 maps to get him to pop.

[NoboruSouma]

Or that we don't fully understand the trigger.

Yes, you're right. There's always a chance for this.

With the 2 map S Ranks they do seem to act differently from every other S rank in the game, which makes me think it's not a normal RNG that increases as window gets longer like most S ranks but rather each time their windows open there is a randomized number of maps that need to be completed and until you reach that number it will not pop, which could explain even after being open for almost a week Pale Rider can still take up to 10 maps to get him to pop.

Some people think that you need to get a specific map location each time to spawn Agrippa/Pale and it's a different one every time. So .. they won't tell us anything about the exact trigger - it's up to us, even for those two, to figure it out.

[Tranquilmelody7]

Some people think that you need to get a specific map location each time to spawn Agrippa/Pale and it's a different one every time. So .. they won't tell us anything about the exact trigger - it's up to us, even for those two, to figure it out.

I can confirm that spawn condition does not exist.
My boyfriend and I went through 3 Dravinian Hinterlands maps on Jenova, are the locations were as follows:
http://14eorzea.up.seesaa.net/image/g7_map_04.jpg

The first nap location was at point G, and the second and third were both at point C.

He spawned immediately after the third map, even though it was in the exact same location as the previous one.

I won't discredit the other theories mentioned, but after spawning both of them I'm still not convinced spawning Agrippa and Pale Rider isn't based on a simple percentage chance like the other S ranks.

I've encountered terrible RNG for the other S ranks, and I don't feel the RNG for those two is different from the rest.
If I has to guess - I'd estimate there is a maximum 20% chance for them to spawn from opening a Treasure Coffer once their timer is up.

Oh, and the Pale Rider is easy mode to spawn compared to Agrippa.

It's so much harder to get a Map leading to Mor Dhona than it is to get a Map to the Hinterlands, even if you hoard all your poetics for Mystery Maps D:

[BillyKaplan]

The true RNG when fighting Agrippa and Rider, even with their inflated timers, is exactly that - getting the maps. It happened to me more than the once that I was scouting Mor Dhona for the hell of it and he was just prancing there because someone was actually working on their relic and got the hunt community's collective luck.

[KageTokage]

I've noticed a rapidly growing number of players using a third-party program of sorts to auto-detect/locate S rank hunts on Cactaur (I know which one, but I feel it's better to not mention the name).

It's getting rather annoying, as not all of these players are exactly courteous when it comes to their S rank etiquette, nor do they bother spawning the hunts in the first place and the nature of program is such that if one of them detects it, every single user of it will be alerted even if they aren't in the zone.

I thought they broke these things earlier, but I'm hoping they find a way to break it again now.

[OtamayD]

>Udumbara
I got Udumbara spawn by doing ↓.
killing 50 Leshy→killing 50 Diakka→killing 50 Sapria→killing about 20 Leshy→POP

So, The number of Leshy required could be more than 50...

I haven't got Udumbara spawn by killing Sapria.
Does anyone have experienced Udumbara spawn by(when) killing Sapria?

[Sagittarii]

The 132 number is from my personal experience alone and shouldn't (nor any other number for that matter) be considered fact...unless of course SE comes out and states it so (which I seriously doubt they would).

For Stormblood S ranks, 132 hours max respawn has been my personal observation, but it's not a forced spawn like an A rank. The spawn conditions still have to be met.

[BillyKaplan]

For Stormblood S ranks, 132 hours max respawn has been my personal observation, but it's not a forced spawn like an A rank. The spawn conditions still have to be met.

That's the same for all S ranks. That's why Nandi, for instance, will often spawn right by the aetheryte when its timer is up - it's set to go off, but you still need someone with a minion to run over its spawn point and those are the closest ones.