The way wariors feel about pld

[Hruodig]

Our experiences have been different, then. I've seen tanks get demolished when trying to not use their defensive stances since Doma Castle. Haven't tried any of the EX primals yet, so I'll take your word for it.

If tanks are getting demolished then they're not effectively mitigating. Stance dancing is all about using cooldowns offensively-whenever I tank a dungeon boss in dps stance, I'm putting up a cd when I know damage is about to come out on me, and likewise I put up a reprisal when I know party wide damage is coming out. Yes this requires you to know the fight, but shouldn't I be rewarded for knowing these fights? Imo, my reward for putting effort in is being able to put out more dps.

[Donaria]

Hello.

Oh sorry Lyth i wasn't trying to call you out personally (on mobile less editing functions) just the arrogant war mentality many have shown over the years. On a side note I'm not a world firster and neither are you would it be possible to take those comparisons out of the discussion?
However I'm disappointed how war was stripped of there self sustain skills I thought that's what a war is "a self-sustaining monster" I mostly play as drg and was somewhat disappointed that I would be losing access to bloodbath but I was like well maybe SE will give lancet to drg to compensate for it. When the patch note went live boy was a surprised.

[Donaria]

but i guarantee 99% of them like this donaria guy sit in shield oath.

Hell yea im in my tank stance 99% of the time unless we're in a boss fight.
My roll is to "tank" dmg not to dish it out.
With your response it kinda makes you look like a squishy trigglypuff and you call yourself a tank? Well I guess you kinda are a white knight since you jumped at the chance to defend a random persons honor on the internet.

[Lambdafish]

Actually, the 2.x meta was terrible. It wasn't just the public perception that PLD was the only viable "MT", it was the fact that a lot of content could be run with a solo tank, and you had your "OT" WAR switch off to MNK so that you could push your group dps.

My point is that, solo tanking aside (which was unviable for a lot of fights by design), the tanks weren't fighting for a spot in the raid meta because there were two slots available and two tanks that were designed for each of those slots. Yes WAR had a rough start in 2.0 but was then fixed, yes PLD was basically mandatory in the MT slot, but the optimal "meta" was PLD as MT due to better mitigation and WAR was OT due to better damage and storms eye, and neither had a third tank that was eying up their slot.

I played through both metas, and 2.x was far better for tanks than 3.x, not just number wise but you could feel it in the community, and in the design of content.

[Tankstuff]

Hell yea im in my tank stance 99% of the time unless we're in a boss fight.
My roll is to "tank" dmg not to dish it out.
With your response it kinda makes you look like a squishy trigglypuff and you call yourself a tank? Well I guess you kinda are a white knight since you jumped at the chance to defend a random persons honor on the internet.

yea youre bad dont talk about tank balance

[LilLemay]

yea youre bad dont talk about tank balance

You're not adding anything to the conversation, insulting every paladin main, straight telling people to not add their opinion. Yes PLD is one of the more simpler classes to play with it's rotation, but every class has those idiots that sit in tank stance and don't play their class. I've seen plenty of DRK that don't EVER use DA and only mash their souleater combo, I've seen plenty of WAR that do nothing but mash as many fell cleaves as they can, aggro and mitigation be damned. There are baddies in every role and class in the game, so stop bashing on one of them and add something useful to the conversation.

It's perfectly fine that you don't like the way that PLD is, but if that's the case make an articulated comment about it, instead of assuming everyone who does play it is someone who needs a handicap because they cant ''handle the complexities'' of the other tanks

[Tankstuff]

Found the other PLD main

[YitharV2]

You're not adding anything to the conversation, insulting every paladin main, straight telling people to not add their opinion. Yes PLD is one of the more simpler classes to play with it's rotation, but every class has those idiots that sit in tank stance and don't play their class. I've seen plenty of DRK that don't EVER use DA and only mash their souleater combo, I've seen plenty of WAR that do nothing but mash as many fell cleaves as they can, aggro and mitigation be damned. There are baddies in every role and class in the game, so stop bashing on one of them and add something useful to the conversation.

It's perfectly fine that you don't like the way that PLD is, but if that's the case make an articulated comment about it, instead of assuming everyone who does play it is someone who needs a handicap because they cant ''handle the complexities'' of the other tanks

Even though he was pretty blunt, I do agree with his opinion. I could literally be watching Netflix if all I was doing was holding aggro and mitigating damage. That's how boring tanking is in this game. Same thing if I were to only heal when needed as a healer. In TERA I actually had to pay attention if I didn't want to get wrecked as a tank. The difference in engagement is like night and day. So I consider "pure tanking" to be somewhat lazy. That being said, I'm not going to force anyone to play a way they don't like. And this applies to all tank jobs, not just PLD.

[LilLemay]

Even though he was pretty blunt, I do agree with his opinion. I could literally be watching Netflix if all I was doing was holding aggro and mitigating damage. That's how boring tanking is in this game. Same thing if I were to only heal when needed as a healer. In TERA I actually had to pay attention if I didn't want to get wrecked as a tank. The difference in engagement is like night and day. So I consider "pure tanking" to be somewhat lazy. That being said, I'm not going to force anyone to play a way they don't like. And this applies to all tank jobs, not just PLD.

I'm fine with that, even I'll admit that PLD is alittle boring at times and I main the class. My issue is with the straight berating of other players for playing a class that they want to.

[Plainview]

I'll wait before swapping back to war. I like to let other people who care do the leg-work with respect to rotations etc. I doubt we'll ever see damage proportions from war like we did in HW, but I'm currently wearing fending right-side on pld, so I can only imagine what Tankstuff would say.