Can we have 0/0/4 for Dungeons please? No? Then maybe harder dungeons please :(

[Korbash]

Incorrect. It's a theme park, it has casual content AND it has hardcore content.

If you don't want to do the hard content, then don't.

Using the 'disabled people' argument is kinda pathetic. As sad as their situation is, Devs aren't going to cater to the 1% of the population that is disabled, and they shouldn't. Just stop.

10% of the population is disabled, not 1%. 1 kid on 1000 has my illness (which I got when I was an infant). And people here are not asking for harder contents to get more raids like Alexander or the Binding Coil of Bahamut, they want the current dungeons, and the future dungeons, to be harder. The current hard contents do exist, in both these raids, which I do not play. The dungeons belong to the casual part of the game.

[FoxyAreku]

10% of the population is disabled, not 1%. 1 kid on 1000 has my illness (which I got when I was an infant). And people here are not asking for harder contents to get more raids like Alexander or the Binding Coil of Bahamut, they want the current dungeons, and the future dungeons, to be harder. The current hard contents do exist, in both these raids, which I do not play. The dungeons belong to the casual part of the game.

See, that last bit can actually be a good argument and something I can get behind. Just don't be trying to guilt people with something that is completely unrelated to the point and people will take you more seriously.

[WinterLuna]

10% of the population is disabled, not 1%. 1 kid on 1000 has my illness (which I got when I was an infant). And people here are not asking for harder contents to get more raids like Alexander or the Binding Coil of Bahamut, they want the current dungeons, and the future dungeons, to be harder. The current hard contents do exist, in both these raids, which I do not play. The dungeons belong to the casual part of the game.

Even if I overlooked the fact you don't HAVE to run dungeons, you're being very selfish. Being sick doesn't make your opinion any more valid than anyone else's. I don't know why you think being disabled is supporting your argument in any way.

[Rivxkobe]

If I wanted to play something challenging, I'd play games like Dark Soul, or a hardcore MMO, there are a few out there, but I play MMOs to have fun, FF XIV is targeted for casual players, do quests, explore areas. I've been playing games since 5-6 with the Atari console, then Nintendo, now I play MMOs.

And I'm talking about physical limitations, and my condition is getting worse, and the constant pain that prevent me from doing the hard contents of Heavensward, I'm not being lazy, it's very very difficult to do it for me. Why should I let the few hardcore players ruin the MMO that I'm playing?

Your history in video games literally means nothing in the scope of this game, or anything in this thread. I don't understand why you brought it up. I assume it was to show that you are more of a casual player (?) but I can't tell. Though that doesn't make sense since "Nintendo" wasn't synonymous with casual gaming until the Wii.

Why should your condition "ruin" this game for everyone else? Just because YOU find something difficult, does not mean the majority does. If something challenging gets added, how in any way does that ruin the game for you? I'm sorry you are going through this, and it is hard, but using it as an argument or reason why something shouldn't be implemented is selfish. And I am not going to treat you, or reply to you, any differently because of it. How many people do you think play this game and have a painful disability, or just a physical/mental disability in general, that makes it hard for them to play or do harder content? I'd reckon a lot less than the number of players who want something a bit more challenging to be added.

The dungeons belong to the casual part of the game.

I disagree.

[WinterLuna]

How many people do you think play this game and have a painful disability, or just a physical/mental disability in general? I'd reckon a let less than the number of players who want something a bit more challenging to be added.

I'm only saying this to prove what you're saying but as I said in another thread he posted this on, I'm sick myself and love challenging content. If I was admitted to hospital I'd still take my PS4 and raid. On another note, FFXIV isn't a game catering for disabled and sick people. If you really find it that difficult to play and don't want hard content, you should maybe try another game.

[Rivxkobe]

I'm only saying this to prove what you're saying but as I said in another thread he posted this on, I'm sick myself and love challenging content. If I was admitted to hospital I'd still take my PS4 and raid. On another note, FFXIV isn't a game catering for disabled and sick people. If you really find it that difficult to play and don't want hard content, you should maybe try another game.

I agree. (Also I slightly edited my post to make it more clear what I was trying to say there). One should not use their disability as some sort of argument against what others might like. I'm sorry you are sick, but it's great to see that you don't let that stop you from doing something you enjoy.

[FabricioRF]

How about 1/1/2 instead of 1/0/3 we currently have? Pretty please?

[Noxifer]

Regarding disabled or not... It's a fair argument, and while some people with disabilities don't have any problems raiding, others do. Same with people who don't have disabilities. And I think people would be annoyed if they decided to make a few dungeons out of a set harder, similar to how people say they made Pharos Sirius (normal) harder than the other two dungeons released that patch. It may not have been hard in itself, but in comparison to the other two it was more effort for the same reward, and that doesn't work.

Which was why I suggested they add a few extreme/savage versions of old dungeons and tune them harder (both mechanics-wise and damage-wise, I'd say) than the other two dungeons of the patch. Don't include it in the ex roulette, but keep them separate. Maybe add a new roulette (savage/extreme roulette, or something) for just those dungeons once there are two or three of them and have them require completion of all dungeons in the list before unlocking the roulette (similar to lvl50/60 roulettes). Basically a mix between a dungeon and a 4-man raid. Ish. It'd be interesting to see.

[WinterLuna]

@Noxifer, it wasn't the fact that some people are disabled and can't play the content that we were annoyed at, it was the fact he generalised all sick and disabled players and tried using it to his advantage in his argument. Most sick people do not have a problem with playing the game and usually have more time on their hands if anything. Disabled people may have issues, but that shouldn't stop SE from developing the game. These dungeons the OP suggested can be completely optional and that's why he got the response he did.

Just clearing it up, no shade ^^

Edit: I like your idea too.

[Nekodar]

Understand that the point of the dungeons isn't to have them be hard.
Dungeons are supposed to be for people to catch up... To get quick tomes... and so on...
If you want hard, go in, strip down to much lower ilevel gear and work through it.