The arrogance of some people

[Caitlyn]

I prefer to be WHM in Expert Duty Roulette. Its not a hard job after all.

Tank get some Heals-over-Time and Shields, then I can start spaming Aero III, Holy and Assize. If Tank drops below 50%, change to healing and everything is fine. With my FC-party, I just need around 15 minutes to clear Expert Duty because of doing additional damage as Healer.

[Bobkitty]

You don't rely on healer's DPS for speedruns, sure it is noticeable and helpful at best but in the end it's a bonus for when others are doing their jobs well and it is ultimately the DPSers primary focus to ensure things die fast.

At Saint, even without the healer's damage the run should still take 20 minutes or so with good DPS (minus 3-4 minutes if the healer has enough room to do damage), so in short the people in your party are imbeciles and hypocrites.

[SpookyGhost]

You don't rely on healer's DPS for speedruns

I guess it depends on your definition of a speedrun... o_o

[KaitlanKela]

If you defended the OP on page 46, did you even read the rest of the thread?

There is no argument. The game is currently not designed to keep us healing 100% of the time. In most content, healers only need to heal 25-50% of the time, depending on the skill and gear of the healer-tank combo. No class has problems with MP management to where you need to not cast during that time, either. If you are choosing to deliberately not play when you could be contributing to the group's objective (which is the SAME for the whole group, no matter your role), then you are essentially harassing your group. They have every right to be mad. The excuse "It's not my job" doesn't work: your job is to clear the instance. Period. By any means necessary. Any other restriction on your play is self-imposed, arbitrary and artificially limiting.

I've said this before, but if you want to ONLY heal (or DPS or Tank), nobody can stop you from playing that way. Only the most obstinate people will kick you from the group. 95% of the playerbase is just going to sigh and move on. But PLEASE stop telling other healers to play this way, or telling other roles that this is acceptable. It's not: the game is not designed for this kind of play right now and until healing is 100% required (or they add support spells that increase group DPS more than we can contribute directly) the meta WILL NOT and SHOULD NOT change for you.

That said: just as a friendly reminder that 100% efficient play, while nice to have and should absolutely be positively reinforced 100% of the time, really shouldn't be an expectation when you're dealing with randoms in DF. This behavior, while annoying, will not prevent you from clearing your instance unless it's Savage. Your run will probably be faster and more efficient if you DON'T make a huge stink about it. If you mention it at all, be polite, and just roll your eyes and move on if they ignore you.

[HulveinBlitz]

Mentor System will be fun, right?

[MeiUshu]

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SHOULD yes, but is rarely the case if ever in DF at least. I dont mind, really. I even asked one day a tank if he could pop some defensive skills, because well eos and me together Healing we were barely able ot make it...BARELY and I dont mean occasional heal. his answer was there was no need to use any of those.

Ergo why, personally, in DF I prefer by far Healing max then taking any chances, you have no idea what is out there as tanks...LOL...as I said, when you are in DF you never know, some start by using ALL their skills at once, and then what ? others dont use any at all, and some I dont need to bother Healing, those are my favourites I can DPS, and there is the only situation and is RARE where I can find a place I should always be.

[Andrea]

Mentor System will be fun, right?

Dunno if this is because of the players wanting to DPS instead of jumping around or that those who jump around will possibly be helping people.

People don't have a problem with healers not dpsing while learning to heal or new. Its those that have full 210 and just choose the lazy option instead of helping out on the damage.

[NorthernLadMSP]

I was on my SMN the other night in Expert (trying to get the Plague Bringer chest), and we had this amazing PLD who was using CDs and mitigating damage like nobody's business. The SCH was literally standing around the entire dungeon throwing an occasional Physick up. Other than that he did absolutely nothing the whole dungeon.

Did he keep everyone alive? Yes.

Did I consider him a great healer? Hell no. Someone like that will never get a commendation from me.

[Judge_Xero]

A healer that let the party dies because he/she "was too busy doing damage" is always a bad healer, even if he/she is able to squeeze high dps.
The primary function of a healer is to keep the party alive, using buffs and removing debuffs. DPS is a secondary function.

I wouldn't consider a healer that lets the party die because they are doing DPS a "Bad Healer". If they are attempting to push the limits of their class and make a calculated error, then it's all part of the learning curve, but at least they are making an effort.

I feel that the only truly bad healer would be one that lets the party die while not dealing damage.

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The consensus I get from the majority of the posts is that, due to fear of ridicule most healers are too scared to DPS while healing, so they push this idea that it just shouldn't happen to make themselves feel better at their job.

The term "Lazy Healer" should not be tossed around so lightly in that regard, and people in general should be more open to the concept of Healer DPS as well as understanding that mistakes are going to happen.

[Leigaon]

Perfect example of this community's big problem: Promoting good play is looked down upon.

It's a two way street on this one. The ones promoting good play are not doing it in the best way all the time. Then again when people do it usually falls on someone who doesn't take criticism all that well and they get upset. Some people act in horrible ways for small things. They do it because they can and not suffer any consequences. It would be like someone not putting mustard on your sand-which on Subway so in return you follow them home and blast the whole family. Though I have seen someone go over the counter and tried to choke a person for not giving a free cookie! They got what was coming to them though.

Efficiency maybe the name of the game but are you really gaining that much more in some situations? You are right though for things like Totems. Still there are so many reasons to not DPS as a healer, but there's situations where you should DPS if you can.

I feel it's a lack of this being a MMO and you're not fully connected to other people so by the time you do end up doing things you either sail through with no one saying anything to you until things hit the wall. Still I'm not saying that you shouldn't give advice, but they should be able to take it too without getting so upset. This includes adjusting to situations where the healer might not be comfortable. Remember you're going into the instance as a team, and a team is a group of people who go out of their way to make each other look good.

I will DPS as a WHM to make the mobs go down faster and that tank thinking "wow the DPS are doing their job" I know some people will see it and give credit to the healer, but a lot of people respond with "Well I never..." and forget that just because they do something doesn't mean that's how the rest of the world (fictional or not) function. Tanks will duck and move, use Cooldowns and have me heal less so I can damage, or DPS who know their rotation so I'm not wasting a lot of my MP and things are dying quickly.