Something need to be done about BAD DPS.

[Asmodai]

Wow after looking through many of the threads you've posted in, I have to say, you have a very poisonous attitude towards inexperienced players...
As for your comment about poor players not knowing the Alexander mechanics when it released...how the hell were they supposed to know them if it was a NEW instance? Nobody did.

Maybe, I just dont like it that so many people dont know their limitations. Its like me jumping in the space shuttle and saying "I got this" then I cant even start it. I know I cant fly a space shuttle so i'm not even going to try. If I wanted to fly one, I would start from the beginning. Its cool if you are not the best dps to ever dps, I am fine with that. We can still run content and we can still be friends. If you ask for help I will give it but I am not going to take you to cutting edge content just for s's and g's. If you are just looking for a carry (Which is what you are doing when you dont know how to do not know your job very well) then you are being a straight up ahole. There are 7 other people you are screwing. Maybe they are not running a parser so they have no idea they are doing bad and its an offense you can get banned for if you tell them. So why do anything else than just move on?

[Terribad]

Was the mnk harassed for his low dps? Nope not a single word

This actually happens more often than not. Everyone with the whole "But I'll get kicked" excuse needs to stop. I raf'd a mage in WoW (Rafing gives you 300% xp you can get to 80 in exactly 15 hours) I had no clue about my rotation due to leveling so fast. I was at the bottom in every dungeon. No one said anything to me, in WoW the game that's notorious for it's "toxic" community and kicking low dps. /rollseyes. People worry for nothing and if you do get kicked, find another party.

[Sapphic]

This actually happens more often than not. Everyone with the whole "But I'll get kicked" excuse needs to stop. I raf'd a mage in WoW (Rafing gives you 300% xp you can get to 80 in exactly 15 hours) I had no clue about my rotation due to leveling so fast. I was at the bottom in every dungeon. No one said anything to me, in WoW the game that's notorious for it's "toxic" community and kicking low dps. /rollseyes. People worry for nothing and if you do get kicked, find another party.

That's it, majority do not care as long as content is getting cleared, the problems arise when content is not getting cleared and players want to know why.

[ShaneDawn]

That's it, majority do not care as long as content is getting cleared, the problems arise when content is not getting cleared and players want to know why.

This is the thing. The common misconception that people have is that people with parsers are nasties that will yell at you for not going 1,2k dps on dungeons bosses. It's not going to happen, unless someone plays very sub-par to make even the easiest content unclearable; then it is a problem and should be solved. But let's be real. How many times does a party actually wipe casual content because the dps is not enough?

Anyone jumping into raids or extremes thinking "but I can play however I want!" are just a hindrance to the group and essentially giving the finger to all 7 other people. If you want to "play how you want" then stick to casual content, but don't screw other people over. Or do whatever, but don't call people elitists for booting you out of a party in any (half-)serious content.

[AlereRaeder]

As a healer I compete with the bad dps. I support this thread

[Mclyde]

This is the thing. The common misconception that people have is that people with parsers are nasties that will yell at you for not going 1,2k dps on dungeons bosses. It's not going to happen, unless someone plays very sub-par to make even the easiest content unclearable; then it is a problem and should be solved. But let's be real. How many times does a party actually wipe casual content because the dps is not enough?Anyone jumping into raids or extremes thinking "but I can play however I want!" are just a hindrance to the group and essentially giving the finger to all 7 other people. If you want to "play how you want" then stick to casual content, but don't screw other people over. Or do whatever, but don't call people elitists for booting you out of a party in any (half-)serious content.

You know that as an Astrologian i got insulted in a lot of pugs group.
I play this class since the release and did all the Alexander stages without any problem the first times (nm). But since 2 or 3 weeks i get insulted as soon as there is a problem in instance like if i should always prove myself as a god-like since i play a class that is always pulled down by players in this forum.

So i can imagine how those kind of players would react if they see that one of the dps is doing really bad in parser...

Ambience !

[Terribad]

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So let's stop/remove/don't implement every/any thing because YOU ran into some douche bags or YOU could probably use improvement. Kaayyy

[loreleidiangelo]

You know that as an Astrologian i got insulted in a lot of pugs group.
I play this class since the release and did all the Alexander stages without any problem the first times (nm). But since 2 or 3 weeks i get insulted as soon as there is a problem in instance like if i should always prove myself as a god-like since i play a class that is always pulled down by players in this forum.

So i can imagine how those kind of players would react if they see that one of the dps is doing really bad in parser...

Maybe you are not as good as you think? I've only been ragged on for being an AST once, and that was in a terrible A3 where the BLMs were doing like 600 DPS at i180 and a NIN kept herping tethers and giving everyone Atrophy and the DRK never used CDs. Even then, I was STILL looking back at those encounters long after they ended and wondering what I could have done to make them a success, rather than saying "nahhhh, those guys sucked, I did everything perfectly and they should feel ashamed for criticizing my obvious awesomeness".

Ironically, the very parser you're so AGAINST is actually the tool that could help prove that wipes are not your fault, since it shows things like healing throughput and whether or not your tanks are using cooldowns.

[Mclyde]

Hey guy ^^ just calm down i wont rape you with my cards promise !

I understand that you doubt of yourself a lot, but i myself can tell if i made a big mistake or not after doing the same content again and again with different pug groups : You see how much time it takes for the dps to take down the boss compare to others group and how your main tank deals with his CD. As an astro you're very watchful to the use of your teamates buff since it help you to optimize your cards. So you don't really need an official parser to know which is doing the more and who is lacking.

I won't allow myself to insult them or start a votekick just because i know it would be simplier by replacing them.

But i know too, that a lot of players won't hesitate if an official tool allow them to point out someone in difficulty.
It's just gonna incite everyone to not try to make content via duty finder anymore.

[Ayuhra]

You could also carry a few bad dps in WOW a lot of the times in ffxiv that is not the case.

Kinda.

WoW is somewhat less merciful of DPS being STUPID than this game. DPS checks in FFXIV are vicious and I do think the ridiculous rotations and and lack of a meter contribute to DPS not knowing what they're doing. However, dead DPS can be rezzed by the healers. In WoW combat rezzes are on a raid-wide timer where you get 1 per 9 minutes in 10 man and 1 per 4.5 in 20. Basically, this means in WoW, even if your healers are absolute masters at keeping their mana up, you get only one combat rez per boss (or 2 highly spaced out ones if it's a big group).

Here in raids you can essentially rez into perpetuity, assuming healers have infinite mana. I'm sure that was an attempt to make the game more forgiving but a rezzed DPS who doesn't know what they're doing STILL won't know what they're doing.

(Also outside the easiest content in WoW carrying DPS is less and less of a thing. Even by Normal modes you are expected to pull your weight and by Heroics you absolutely have to. Mythic...well...I think only 1% of the playerbase has beaten Mythic Blackhand)