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  1. #51
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hypie View Post
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    From what I can remember, the developers said was not that they don't want healers to DPS but don't factor it in for raid content. If healers want to assist with DPS, that is a play style choice and a good one at that since it allows you further aid your parties. There's a difference in just healing because it is warranted and twiddling your thumbs playing whack-a-mole with the HP bars. The developers have to be stupid to take away the option for players to use their entire toolkit for the benefit of their groups. Is that what you really want? Do you want to limit others because of some narrow-minded view on the role and not think outside the box?

    Also, juggling healing and DPS is what makes and breaks a healer. If you can't do that, you can stick to healing if you wish. Stance dancing takes practice. Don't let one bad experience dissuade you. As Arnold Schwarzenegger once said, "Do not be afraid of failure."
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    Quote Originally Posted by SlyRoyale View Post
    If healers want to assist with DPS, that is a play style choice and a good one at that since it allows you further aid your parties.
    And it is one they've stated they have no intention of removing. So I am sure they will give healers accuracy to do so.
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  3. #53
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    Quote Originally Posted by SlyRoyale View Post
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    I'm not sure which one, there are way to many interviews out there for hw, but im 100% sure they said "We don't want Healers to DPS in Heavensward".

    Originally the DPS Skills are only there because you can't heal your Quest Mobs to death hu-uh Well okay maybe WHM can with his new DMG-Heals? XD
    If Healers want to max their Skillset with Off-Dpsing thats okay. But...i just don't know for me what's the Devs said is Law. They don't want you DPS. So your not supposed to DPS in my Eyes. Just my personal Point of View.

    >I< don't want to limit you. I'm just fast at accepting the Facts that the Devs want to limit you in this Aspect.
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    Last edited by Hypie; 06-29-2015 at 05:39 AM.

  4. #54
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    Damien Nellemond
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    The one thing that greatly annoys me with all that accuracy thing is that not having enough causes Energy Drain to miss, and when it misses, I don't get mp. It really is irritating.
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  5. #55
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    Shinonome Sanada
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hypie View Post
    I'm not sure which one, there are way to many interviews out there for hw, but im 100% sure they said "We don't want Healers to DPS in Heavensward".
    Not quite.

    From the translated interview:

    For development, such as with Bahamut's Coils, the development team assumes what the item level should be for general equipment on players when they clear a raid. They sum up the basic DPS for four DPS and tanks at that assumed item level and cut that by about 10-15% for the minimum clear DPS. Healer DPS is not taken into account when this is set.

    Yes, it's true that Yoshida has said that they do not design DPS checks with healers adding DPS. However, as far as I know, he hasn't said anything about wanting to prevent Healers from adding damage to a fight either.

    Take that as you will.
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  6. #56
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hypie View Post
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    Right, and I'm 100% you heard wrong due to all of the evidence that points to the contrary. While healer DPS weaponskills and abilities are present and do help to facilitate clearing quest instances, they are ultimately a part of a healer's toolkit. To not take advantage of that is to not play to the optimal potential of the job. On top of that, new DPS weaponskills and abilities were added. Some notable examples are Stone III, Aero III, and Broil. On top of that, we also have Assize which does three-fold: damage, healing, and MP restoration. It is also on a 90s cooldown. If the developers didn't want you to DPS, they wouldn't have added such a potent ability. Before you drop the "Holy nerf" on me, Flare got the same treatment too.

    Furthermore, using emoticons to back up your claims or make light of the matter doesn't help your case in the slightest. It just makes you look like an ass.
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  7. #57
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    For the record, I always dps whenever I am able as much as I can, just because if I didn't I'd often become bored just standing there doing nothing while waiting for someone to take damage. However, I also think that SE does not want healers to be "bullied into dps-ing" if they don't want to since that is not the actual reason they chose healer as a role. I think Yoshida's comments show only that in raids and content, healer damage isn't expected (but that doesn't mean it isn't welcome).

    Many comments in this and other threads seem to think that if a healer doesn't dps they are "bad healers" -- this is not true if they keep everyone alive. As others have pointed out, this merely means they are not optimal healers (since optimal implies using all means possible to make the run go faster/smoother = dps). Everyone should, indeed, play how they like, though. Many didn't sign up as healer to dps and may hate doing it - that's fine. Those of us who do, should -- but no one should be bullied into doing it or called 'bad' for not.
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    Last edited by MirielleLavandre; 06-29-2015 at 06:43 AM.

  8. #58
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    Damien Nellemond
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    To be honest I feel bad if I'm standing around doing nothing because no one is taking damage. Might as well throw in some dps and speed things up. If I don't, things get really boring...
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  9. #59
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    Quote Originally Posted by SlyRoyale View Post
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    Wow stay calm. If i angered you i'm sorry. Maybe your'e right with misshearing english is after all not my native Language.

    Quote Originally Posted by MirielleLavandre View Post
    However, I also think that SE does not want healers to be "bullied into dps-ing" if they don't want to since that is not the actual reason they chose healer as a role.
    And like always someone else finds the right words.

    I think saying that "DPS-Dancing" is optimal is wrong worded. It's rather doing the Maximum what your job can do. Optimum would be everyone is alive. And after all your DPS is not "needed" its "nice to have". And saying that Healers who don't dps are bad is completely false.
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    Luciana Wolf
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    If you don't like to DPS and heal, I highly recommend AST. Your mana sustain is incredibly bad so you can't really afford to DPS and you can spend your off-time buffing/playing solitaire. You'll be spending most of your time healing because, let's face it, you don't have a divine seal equivalent or an extremely potent, off-GCD AoE heal like the other classes.

    Your buffs can (maybe) supplement your lack of personal DPS and you can be that healer you've always wanted to be.

    If this isn't an option, I highly recommend playing a different game. No use playing something you don't enjoy; A game is supposed to be fun for the player.
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