Gold Saucer outfits, gender locked?

[Laeore]

Here's what you said:


Here is exactly what you said, but applying the exact logic you apply in reverse:


Here is what you said with the genders reversed:


Here is what you said with the genders reversed and the logic flipped:

lol yep. XD

The revulsion is indicative of not the sexual preference, but of other issues, which can be varied. We agree mostly. I have noooo idea what you're yammering on about.

[kyuven]

lol yep. XD

my point is a large number of people would disagree with each and every one of those points.

[Teia]

Oh I see. So we should be forced to deal with it because the proponents say the opposite? "I like seeing this." "It should exist." ?? How about the proponents have tolerance? Why is it that we are the only ones called selfish? The argument works both ways.

No, it doesn't. One side is about giving people more choices with regards to how to express themselves, and asking those who don't like to see certain things to be tolerant of them. The other side is about restricting others' choices against their wishes just for the sake of their own comfort. Slight discomfort is nowhere near equivalent to having one's choices needlessly curtailed. Notably, FF14 allows male/male and female/female eternal bonds despite that some people don't like seeing them or are opposed to gay marriage, so it's fair to ask that variant means of self-expression be implemented with that same understanding that those who don't like it will exercise tolerance towards it.

[Noxifer]

By your logic, since I look at a man and HAVE a reaction, [...] I am automatically not straight because, under your definition, straight men "should [have] no reaction" to naked men.

Well, to be fair, they said that if someone is truly distressed by seeing someone of their own gender lightly dressed, then they might need to take a closer look at why (and/or possibly seek help in doing so). And I can't say I disagree entirely, because whatever the reason for it might be, if it starts to interfere with your life to that degree, you'd probably feel a lot better by resolving the issue.
(And I'm using 'you' in the general sense, since it's something I believe goes for most things.)
It's like OCDs... Everyone has a tiny bit of OCD tendencies, but once they start to interfere with your life it's time to take a closer look at them and figure out a way to deal with them better.

But anyway, we're straying terribly far from the topic here ^^;

[Niwashi]

But based on reports I've seen, male gamers outweigh female gamers by quite a bit.

Overall, gamers are about 52% male and 48% female. (This is according to the Entertainment Software Association, whose poll on the matter appears to be the most widely accepted in the industry.) What's more, that slight lead that males still have is mainly based on a significant lead in action, first-person shooter, and sports games, so even those percentages can underestimate the number of women in other genres, like RPGs.

I've never heard any specific numbers regarding FFXIV itself, but I have heard the Final Fantasy franchise cited in various articles as being highly attractive to women (even before we made up nearly half the playerbase). So, when we're playing a female-friendly franchise within a female-oriented genre of an industry that's 48% female overall, I'd be surprised if females aren't the majority of players here. Or even if somehow males are still holding a slim majority, it certainly wouldn't be by much.

Regardless of if that is a good thing or not, the fact is, most MMOs and games as a whole are focused and advertised towards men.

Advertised towards males, yes. Even that they're largely developed with males in mind is still pretty widely true, (though SE has made some significant strides towards changing that). Both these facts are based on the demographics of who used to be playing video/computer games twenty to thirty years ago, and the fact that "gamer" stereotypes haven't caught up to the current actual demographics.

[kyuven]

*snip*

I agree with the sentiment of the extreme, but not with the sentiment of the general.
If you're SEVERELY distressed by it, yes you do have something you should seek help with.
However, if it merely makes you uncomfortable or uneasy, that's not indicative of anything and should in no way label you as not being "heterosexual," "bisexual," "asexual," or "homosexual"

And you're right about being off-topic too >_>

[Kurenai_Night]

No, it doesn't...

Oh? and what choice to the individual who doesn't want to see a man parading about in a bunny suit? What choice have you left them? You have in fact, forced your need/wants on a person who plays the game same as you do and pays the sub same as you do to have to see something that may make them uncomfortable. Thereby, limiting their ability to freely enjoy the game. So yes, your position does indeed force limits on people. Boys who were sexually abused by older gay men for instance may not want to remember abuse due to the parading of men dressed in bunny suits. I happened to know one such individual abused by a flamboyant man.. Not only that but conservatives play this game too and don't want to see it and don't want to play a game that parades bunny suit men.. So again, your argument works both ways. They have voices to and deserve just as much input without being called selfish or intolerant. Anyone could use your same argument.. Molesters, thief, adulterers, murderers, those in incestuous relationships (just read about 3 last week. Daughter father, brother sister, mother son). So should we all just have a free for all and express ourselves how we please? Of course not.. Lines have to be drawn. Yes, even in a game.

[Ophie-Mio]

Boys who were sexually abused by older gay men for instance may not want to remember abuse due to the parading of men dressed in bunny suits. I happened to know one such individual abused by a flamboyant man.. Not only that but conservatives play this game too and don't want to see it and don't want to play a game that parades bunny suit men.. So again, your argument works both ways. They have voices to and deserve just as much input without being called selfish or intolerable.

And yet when girls want to cover up, we're told to glamour ourselves and get over it. Should this game design for the traumatized in mind? No. This argument here goes both ways in that women don't need to have a bunny suit either because someone out there could have been forced into a situation and the outfit causes trauma.

Why protect the men when the women obviously aren't? In this argument, there are men here who want the outfit because they want to appear sexy. There are women who want the outfit because they want to be sexy. Who is anyone to bring in their trauma to tell them no? If they are so triggered, then maybe they shouldn't be playing such video games that allow anything be to so scantily clad.

It's a personal choice of mine that I don't like seeing scantily clad women characters. Do I go around asking them to glamour themselves differently? No. They pay a subscription same as me and if I don't like it, I can look away from them.

[Noxifer]

Oh? and what choice to the individual who doesn't want to see a man parading about in a bunny suit? What choice have you left them?

And what about the individual who doesn't want to see a woman parading about in a bunny suit? What choice have they been left?

The point here isn't 'allow everything cos we want it', the point (afaik) is that why does the 'we don't want this = don't implement it' argument only go for one side and not for both? Or vice versa, why can people say "we want more sexy clothes for women" and not "we want more sexy clothes for men"?

The point is that as has been done before in this game, men are given one new outfit and women are given two new outfits. Which is why people are arguing for a male-only equivalent of the bunny suit. Heck, make it slacks and a vest (no shirt), with bunny ears and tail, and most of us would be happy. Just give us something to even the scales.

[Riepah]

Why don't nudists ever get to dress the way they want in-game?