Coil Story mode in development.

[Cynric]

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Well while I agree with you it's not exactly cool I guess for raiders to do the work and others to just learn. At the same time I feel they have a right to know what's going on through some faculty that exists inside the game. Just to keep immersion up. I just don't feel like there's a point in having three Coils, Story, Tuned, Savage. When the tuned one is going to get nerfed down the line anyway. Why even nerf it if you're making a story version? It feels so wasteful of dev time.

[TheRogueX]

To all of you 'raiders' who think this is a bad idea: Suck it. We all pay for this game; we all deserve the same access to the game's story. "Hardcore" content should never have had any story content related to Bahamut (or anything substantially related to the main plot), since he is an important aspect of the game's history and future. Your reward for being raiders is the equipment. You are not entitled to anything more than that. Hell, given that we all pay for this game, as I said above, you aren't really entitled to anything more than anyone else, but I'll give you the fact that you may put in more time than others and grant you the one single concession of gear.

Of course, I still think there should be craftable gear available that is no less than one step below the best raid gear, but it's obvious that SE doesn't care much about crafting.

[Aussir]

To all of you 'raiders' who think this is a bad idea: Suck it. We all pay for this game; we all deserve the same access to the game's story. "Hardcore" content should never have had any story content related to Bahamut (or anything substantially related to the main plot), since he is an important aspect of the game's history and future. Your reward for being raiders is the equipment. You are not entitled to anything more than that. Hell, given that we all pay for this game, as I said above, you aren't really entitled to anything more than anyone else, but I'll give you the fact that you may put in more time than others and grant you the one single concession of gear.

Of course, I still think there should be craftable gear available that is no less than one step below the best raid gear, but it's obvious that SE doesn't care much about crafting.

Bold by me.

[Exstal]

Bold by me.

You bolded the wrong part.

To all of you 'raiders' who think this is a bad idea: Suck it. We all pay for this game; we all deserve the same access to the game's story. "Hardcore" content should never have had any story content related to Bahamut (or anything substantially related to the main plot), since he is an important aspect of the game's history and future. Your reward for being raiders is the equipment. You are not entitled to anything more than that. Hell, given that we all pay for this game, as I said above, you aren't really entitled to anything more than anyone else, but I'll give you the fact that you may put in more time than others and grant you the one single concession of gear.

Of course, I still think there should be craftable gear available that is no less than one step below the best raid gear, but it's obvious that SE doesn't care much about crafting.

[Moqi]

You bolded the wrong part.

I agree with you and I hope they'll keep it in mind for the next raid, but for this one that's being done the way it is... his bolding was right.

[Cynric]

I agree with you and I hope they'll keep it in mind for the next raid, but for this one that's being done the way it is... his bolding was right.

Nope! If you don't raid you will always not have access to everything the game has story wise. It could be a sub story for the next raid but you still wont be able to access it if you can't beat it. That's just how the cookie crumbles if you can't raid. It might not be fair but that's just kind of how it is. You pay to play, you earn the right by winning inside the game. Just cause you paid to play the game doesn't mean you get to experience everything for no work. Otherwise this would just be a very interactive movie.

I agree with what Exstal said. But not with the entire point of view you have.

[Renos]

I honestly don't care if you see the coil story-line months after people who cleared it, but I find it funny that you refer to raiders as entitled. Raiders don't have to be entitled, SE put the rewards at the end(story + gear) of the turns and the raiders did what was necessary to earn them.

[Waeksyn]

The main point that's been made by others in this thread is that key story elements should not be tied to content that is essentially not accessible to everyone due to the need to have a static (nothing at all to do with level of difficulty - these raids are simply memorization of mechanics). SE has done a good job of avoiding this when it comes to the regular mode primals. They're a well balanced level of difficulty with NO reward other than advancement of the story. The rewards come from doing the difficult version of that content.

SE screwed up by putting very significant story content in Coil to begin with. A better method would have been to have a story mode version and an extreme version right from the start. Just like in the story mode primals, the current extreme version of Coil would depend on clearing the previous release of Coil extreme. Story Coil would only require advancement of the story up to that point.

There will never be harmony between the "elitists" and the "casual" players. Casual players want to be INCLUDED in content. Elitists want others to specifically be EXCLUDED from content because their whole satisfaction stems from the opinion that they are better than others. How can I show the world my awesomeness if everyone else is doing the same thing as me?

[Audacity]

To all of you 'raiders' who think this is a bad idea: Suck it. We all pay for this game; we all deserve the same access to the game's story. "Hardcore" content should never have had any story content related to Bahamut (or anything substantially related to the main plot), since he is an important aspect of the game's history and future. Your reward for being raiders is the equipment. You are not entitled to anything more than that. Hell, given that we all pay for this game, as I said above, you aren't really entitled to anything more than anyone else, but I'll give you the fact that you may put in more time than others and grant you the one single concession of gear.

Of course, I still think there should be craftable gear available that is no less than one step below the best raid gear, but it's obvious that SE doesn't care much about crafting.

Paying for this game doesn't entitle you to anything either.

[Abriael]

Great idea. Reserving significant story content only to hardcore raiders is a bad idea to begin with.

Of course you can paint me utterly unsurprised to see the elitist whine, but it's of no consequence.

Some don't realize that the more content is accessible to more people, the more subs will be retained, the more money square enix will make, and the more content *everyone* will get in the long run, including hardcore elitists.

It really is not rocket science.