ATMA: the worst thing ever made on A Realm Reborn

[Squa11_Leonhart]

Let's do the intro-level probability first.
So on average, how many FATEs do I have to do to get 1 atma?
If you answered 100, give yourself a cookie, you're absolutely right!
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Sorry, but no, thats not how it works at all.

Every fate you do is still a 1% chance using a rng invisible dice where the odds are entirely stacked against you. You can do 500 fates in one region over the course of 36 hours and NOT recieve an atma.

[Squa11_Leonhart]

Got a full set and another 6/12 (19 total) in just 30 hours of fate grinding. Thats almost 1 atma per 1,5 hour.
Can`t see why ppl think atma grind is the end of the world. And we all know that there are other ways to get similar weapons without the need to grind any fates.

as Ansem once said. "You who understands nothing, knows nothing."

Stop ignoring all the people who have stated their thousands of hours of fates just because you managed to get lucky.

[xenok]

Sorry, but no, thats not how it works at all.

Every fate you do is still a 1% chance using a rng invisible dice where the odds are entirely stacked against you. You can do 500 fates in one region over the course of 36 hours and NOT recieve an atma.

Unless you want to argue that probability theory is wrong, and that expected value is calculated wrongly; this is exactly how it works.
Again, my statement was ON AVERAGE (so that doesn't mean you or any other single person, but if A LOT Of people did this and we took an average of the number of attempts it took) it takes 100 FATEs to get 1 atma if the probability of a drop is 1%.
Or, it can be rephrased as the expected value of an atma drop is 1, after 100 attempts.

You're also right that it is possible (though not likely, since the probability is 99.343%. Not a 100%, but close) that you do 500 FATEs and you don't get an atma.

If you roll an unbiased dice six times, it doesn't mean you're guaranteed to see at least one 6 being rolled. But that doesn't mean the dice is biased either.

You being extremely unlucky doesn't mean probability theory is wrong; not that it's any consolation.

[brdlyrcr]

I have been doing nothing but Fates for the last 4 weeks. I have probably spent 80+ hours do pretty much nothing but fates and I have only gotten 1 atma. Give me a break this system is really broken. I understand that you want ppl to stay and play the game and not everyone to have it. But really i have been in zones for hours and i am the only one doing fates there. Plz fix it or anounce when a possible update to address it will be instantiated. I will still play the game wether or not but i would like to get to my animus weapon it is really frustrating when you spend all day doing something and get nothing in return.

[Squa11_Leonhart]

I have been doing nothing but Fates for the last 4 weeks. I have probably spent 80+ hours do pretty much nothing but fates and I have only gotten 1 atma. Give me a break this system is really broken. I understand that you want ppl to stay and play the game and not everyone to have it. But really i have been in zones for hours and i am the only one doing fates there. Plz fix it or anounce when a possible update to address it will be instantiated. I will still play the game wether or not but i would like to get to my animus weapon it is really frustrating when you spend all day doing something and get nothing in return.

ATMA was truly only implemented as it is, because SE wanted players mixing it up back in the field doing fates and stuff so all the new players had help with them.


and Animus proves that they could have easily done it a different and more time managed way....

[bbkkristian]

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O_O screw that!! It is not worth it!

[Vanifae]

I just finished Atma this morning, after probably about 1 week and a half of a trying seriously. Each session was on average three hours or so, sometimes less and many times more. My last 4 were pretty fast, got one on Friday, and then late Saturday night I got two back to back and then it took another three sessions of about 2-3 hours each of farming South Thanalan to get the last Atma. This was not fun in the slightest, but I got it done. I do feel for those that have been going longer and nothing, there really should be a system that starts to kick in around Fate 10-15+ that starts to increase the chance of Atma as long as you stay in the zone. Once you leave it resets.

I think that might go a long way to alleviate some of this RNG. That way eventually the chance will rise to where you are assured to get an Atma in a zone after so many Fates.

[The_Last_Dragoon]

There was a theory that the Atmas have a higher chance of dropping inbetween certain local times for each zone. It is as follows:

Atma of the MAIDEN - Central Shroud - 1:00
Atma of the SCORPION - Southern Thanalan - 2:00
Atma of the WATER BEARER - Upper La Noscea - 3:00
Atma of the GOAT - East Shroud - 4:00
Atma of the BULL - Eastern Thanalan - 5:00
Atma of the RAM - Middle La Noscea - 6:00
Atma of the TWINS - Western Thanalan - 7:00
Atma of the LION - Outer La Noscea - 8:00
Atma of the FISH - Lower La Noscea - 9:00
Atma of the ARCHER - North Shroud - 10:00
Atma of the SCALES - Central Thanalan - 11:00
Atma of the CRAB - Western La Noscea - 12:00

Though it won't guarantee a drop within that hour, and has only been loosely proven, it's at least easier on the mind since it feels like you're making swifter progress. You can find the whole theory thread here: Reddit Atma Theory

[Vanifae]

I can say with certainty that my Atma of the Scorpion, the last I needed, dropped after about an hour of farming this morning around 10 to 10:30 AM Central time.

[swordrain]

The same genius's behind 1.0 must have come up with this idea. It seriously feels like this game has gone nowhere. I have PTSD from atma grinding. Just thinking about it gets me short of breath and agitated.