This game is like Final Fantasy XI pre Chains of Promathia

[Azrael]

The quest took alf a day, or was it 6 hours? Can't remember, so many years ago. Anyway, it didn't mean you had to camp the dude while doing it. You could run of to fight crabs. ;p

Well, Yes 6 hours, half a day of available play time, assuming you stay awake about 12 hours, and you sleep some hours, (or you don't? >_>)
True you could go fight crabs, just saying it was time consuming.
anyway, back to topic

[Morticous]

The limiting factor in FFXI that made your first job take a long time to get to 75 was farming enough gil to buy gear. 4 weeks is way too little time to reach 75, but also way too much to get to Kazham, lol.

But yeah, took me almost a year to get my first 75 in FFXI because I cared about my gear.

I don't see how this is way too much time.. if it gave you 4 weeks worth of content to do... rather then 2 days.. why is that bad? if it takes you 6 months to get through all the available content... why is that bad??? it just means you have something to do for a LONG time.. Right now a new player can get on and be down with FFXIV in 2 months.. and it will never be more because the content they build is disposable.. so after the initial 2 months you will have 1 month max worth of content every 3-4 months... how is that more fun then having something to do every day for 6 months straight?

Relics taking a lot less time to get in FFXIV isn't a problem (it's just a name after all).

Also, this is another problem with the gaming community of today.. It shouldn't be JUST A NAME... Relics are supposed to be epic.. its apart of the story of the world.. The players that dont care about the story or any o fthe meat of the game and only care about the stats and how quickly they can get it are the ones ruining these games for everyone else and creating a bland experience.

[Fumijj_Gah]

That's complete BS. You could easily get past VD in two days. 1 party for 10-15 and a second party for 15-20. The biggest limitation that prevented you from advancing rapidly was getting a party, which again, isn't exactly a good point for FFXI.

Nope, because people even didn't know what to fight. : P
I think we're talking of two different things. I was one of first lv.10 and actually the whole server didn't know where to go. Most of them just did solo exp in La Theine or PT with crabs, randomly. It tooks few days to get people gathered in Valkurum and to understand what to do. Even the lv.7-10/12 experience in Ghelsba was unforgettable. FFXI had magic that XIV doesn't have since Yoshi-P touched the game.

[Amberion]

That's complete BS. You could easily get past VD in two days. 1 party for 10-15 and a second party for 15-20. The biggest limitation that prevented you from advancing rapidly was getting a party, which again, isn't exactly a good point for FFXI.

I believe that is what made it a success though. It forced socialization, and a need for LS later on. And even if people found something boring to do, it became much more fun since you had people you knew around. In this game, LS/FC aren't truly needed.

EDIT: Do anyone remember their first party in FFXI? I do.

Do you in FFXIV ARR? I don't.

[Noahlimits]

I don't see how this is way too much time.. if it gave you 4 weeks worth of content to do..

I think it's because a lot of people see grind content as artificial content.
If it weren't for the fact that:

a) dying lost exp
b) it took a long long long long time to level

People would have accomplished the game at a much faster rate. I personally don't mind 'artificial content' as others put it, as I loved FFXI. But that's the general opinion of most on the forums when it comes to XI: only took long to get to end game because it made you grind for levels

[Gilthas]

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You misread my post. A poster was saying that it would take you at least 4 weeks to get to Kazham, my post was saying that you could easily reach Kazham in less than 4 weeks.

As for your argumentation of "if it gave you 4 weeks of content to do". That would have been great. But what FFXI really gave you was 1 weekish of content and 3 weeks of waiting.

People complain a lot about the lockouts in FFXIV, but the truth is, the majority of my playtime in FFXI consisted of playing the waiting game.

I believe that is what made it a success though. It forced socialization, and a need for LS later on. And even if people found something boring to do, it became much more fun since you had people you knew around. In this game, LS/FC aren't truly needed.

EDIT: Do anyone remember their first party in FFXI? I do.

Do you in FFXIV ARR? I don't.

People that want socialization in FFXIV can get it easily. I personally can do without the forced socialization of FFXI.

As for your questions about parties, the answer is no for both accounts. I loved FFXI to death, but sometimes I wonder if people even remember how playing the game really was like.

[Amberion]

I think it's because a lot of people see grind content as artificial content.
If it weren't for the fact that:

a) dying lost exp
b) it took a long long long long time to level

People would have accomplished the game at a much faster rate. I personally don't mind 'artificial content' as others put it, as I loved FFXI. But that's the general opinion of most on the forums when it comes to XI: only took long to get to end game because it made you grind for levels

But it also meant something to get a level. I think everyone remembers the "Dings" that showed up in LS chat.

Well, Yes 6 hours, half a day of available play time, assuming you stay awake about 12 hours, and you sleep some hours, (or you don't? >_>)
True you could go fight crabs, just saying it was time consuming.
anyway, back to topic

True, it was time consuming. But it also made me feel like time existed in Vana. And sleep? Didn't know what that was the first weeks after getting FFXI.

[Noahlimits]

But it also meant something to get a level. I think everyone remembers the "Dings" that showed up in LS chat.

No arguments from me. I loved leveling in XI.

[Theplatter]

EDIT: Do anyone remember their first party in FFXI? I do.

Haha, I do. I was on war and stood there like a jackass because I didn't know what to do, so the party wiped and I was kicked right afterwards. Good times!

[Azrael]

But it also meant something to get a level. I think everyone remembers the "Dings" that showed up in LS chat.



True, it was time consuming. But it also made me feel like time existed in Vana. And sleep? Didn't know what that was the first weeks after getting FFXI.

True, damn it was so much fun xD I really was feeling part of the game. Oh and when you would get the next level gear, damn people would be so happy. Every level you did was an achievement, every equip you weared you could remember of it, in FFXIV i don't even care about what i'm wearing, just collect 90's piece, and totally forgot about mid level gear.
I also remember all FFXI musics, i could write books on that game, was a magic experience.