DoL/DoH > Good path for everything to lv50?

Hello,

I find some class specific guide but nothing that could help making a nice path to get everything to lv50 in the end.

With cross class, should I level everything to 15 first then take something to 50?
Is there some class that have no connection to the other and therefore are not so useful to take a few other class to 50?

I am Scholar as a main and I would like to start making food/equipment/potion for myself and my FC but no idea where to start and how to level up and what to level up.

Starting from scratch, what would be the most coherent path?

I know it will take time but I guess I am in game for the long run anyway so i just want to start going.
If you have advice to level up smart (like get the best cross-skills, using less money as possible...) that would be fantastic

Thanks

If you're looking to start making Food/potions (not as much equipment unless you want Carpentry) I'd highly suggest botanist for the first of the gathering classes. It'll supply some for Culinary, Alchemist, Carpenters, Weavers and Leatherworkers to a minor degree.

And would you do all of them in same time or would you take one up first?
I am trying to make a leveling path so I can go steadily

Level them all to 15 because a lot of them have good level 15 ability then start working on classes to 50

Depends a lot on what and how much you want to do. Trying to save up mats for crafting later is bad idea due to not having enough storage space between yourself and 2 retainers. The first 20 levels of any DoH class is quick and easy. Do the class quests every 5 levels and try to make one of each item for the nice EXP bonus for first time completion. Now after that you can concentrate on triple turn in leves, thus leaving you needing only certain materials. Even if you are not banging out HQ's for them, you'll level faster than simply grinding it out.

Time is money for most, so if you can afford the low cost NPC/Market Board materials it'll save you time versus farming them up.

Levelling everything to around 15~20 will get you started.

Alchemy 17(?) has Tricks of the Trade
Culinarian 37(?) has a good ability (Steady Hand II)

I personally think Blacksmith, Carpenter, Alchemist, Weaver and Goldsmith have very good level 50 cross-craft abilities so you might want to look into one/all of those.

Thank you
I will try to get everything to 15 first then level up to 50 things that could be needed for SCH like culinarian and alchemist I guess

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Originally Posted by Leknaat

Levelling everything to around 15~20 will get you started.

Alchemy 17(?) has Tricks of the Trade
Culinarian 37(?) has a good ability (Steady Hand II)

I personally think Blacksmith, Carpenter, Alchemist, Weaver and Goldsmith have very good level 50 cross-craft abilities so you might want to look into one of those.

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It's level 15 and 37.

Can't say if it's perfect, but I get HQ on finished 50-star items using normal materials almost 100% of the time, so here you go, this is what I would suggest.

• ALC15 for Tricks of the Trade. Recovers 20 CP on red orb / Good status. I use this all the time.
• WVR15 for Careful Synthesis.
• CRP15 for Rumination.
• GSM15 for Manipulation. Decent for durability recovery.
• CUL15 for Hasty Hand. 50% success rate, so near useless by itself. Use with Steady Hand.
• CUL37 for Steady Hand II. Use this before Hasty Hand attempts instead of Steady Hand.
• ALC50 for Comfort Zone. Gives you more CP than you expend and some room to work with Tricks of the Trade.
• CRP50 for Byregot's Blessing. This is your finisher, so to speak. Combine it with Great Strides and Steady Hand / Steady Hand II. Absolutely no Rumination.
• WVR50 for Careful Synthesis II. Completely replaces Careful Synthesis.
• GSM50 for Innovation. Arguably better than Observe, and useful for killing another turn hoping for Good/Excellent for Byregot's Blessing.
• BSM50 for Ingenuity II. Use this when boosting quality or progress for 50-star recipes. You may want to withhold using this skill at the start in order to build Inner Quiet up while avoiding killing your CP.
• Whatever you feel like from this point on.

You may opt to make some variations here or there. Most of my crafting classes were already up there come version 2, so I'm not certain how well this track would work in practice.

I think the cheapest and most generally convenient method of levelling all crafting classes up (if, indeed, you do want all of them levelled in the end) is to do them all in parallel. That's what I did back in 1.xx and it worked fabulously. Because progression in gear is so universally tiered, you're likely to need the vast majority of any one material at a specific level range across all classes that use it at once. Ultimately, I'd also recommend levelling up BTN and MIN at the same time as you'll be gathering things in the same rough order that the crafting classes will need them, and you'll need to gather tonnes of shards too.

As for classes to start with however, despite my parallel suggestion I also suggest keeping WVR and LTW slightly (maybe 2-3 levels) ahead of all the others for the ability to make HQ crafting and gathering gear, thus making your crafting and gathering of other things significantly easier. The same can be said of tools from BSM but to a lesser degree I think. I tried to keep everything within a roughly 5 level range of each other though, thus getting the maximum benefit of cross class materials and not losing exp when you have to go back and craft the low level intermediary items for some class that got left behind.

It's also very important to push up the quality rating whenever possible. You'll get much more exp while using far fewer materials. It's also good practice thinking about how to get the most out of the durability available to you while pushing up the quality and maintaining the relative safety of the overall synth, things that are all very important regardless of whether you're levelling up or trying to HQ that elusive level 50 double star item.

Thank you very much for the inputs :)

Hello,

I started gathering crafting for a week now and I still have few questions regarding HQ and cross-skill abilities.

Current status

• Gathering: Botanist 15 - Miner 10 - Fisher 8
• Crafting: Weaver/Alchemist 15 - Carpenter/Leatherworker/Blacksmith/Goldsmith 10 - Culinarian 8 - Armorer 7

regarding crafting, I see a lot of useful cross-abilities and quite a few guide but most give good rotation at lv50 or high level
What would be a good rotation for the lv15>30 for instance?
I have limited CP (even if I upgrade my equipment regularly as I level) so I cannot do most of the suggested rotations.

input greatly appreciated (might create a newbie guide later)

I'm not able to access this info at the moment but I think there was a low level skill I used a lot in Alpha/Beta which gave back about 30 durability or so.

I think its icon looked like a blue or green ball..? I used that a LOT. I'd get progress up to one move short of complete, then push up quality as high as I could before using the last progress skill to finish off, using that +30 durability skill when I was down to 10. Any bad luck on that last turn meant the entire synth failed so those who play it safer might want to give themselves a little more room, maybe finish it off with one move to spare in case first try goes boom.

Sorry, I can't remember any of the other skills from back then, nor do I know if they're still around, have the same effects or are learnt at the same level anymore (there was a lot of crafting rebalancing since then) but that one was really handy, especially for getting as much quality as possible into a 40 durability base part cheap synth for great exp at all levels. I think most classes had recipes like that: lumbers, leathers, ingots, thread/cloth, etc. They come up at regular level intervals, they're cheap, they're useful, they're simple and they're great levelling fodder if you're out of leves.



Edit: forgot to mention, the 30 durability skill I'm thinking of was learnt at about level 15, though I don't remember which class learnt it or if they all did.

Currently, my usual rotation is

• Basic Synthesis until I am only 1 synth away from crafting the item
• Basic Touch to increase quality
• Master's Mend when I have 10 durability (+30 durability)
• Basic Touch until no more CP
• Careful Synthesis to finish or Basic Synth

Is it a good rotation? I don't seem to make a lot of HQ, a lot of basic touch fail

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Originally Posted by Hysterior

Currently, my usual rotation is

• Basic Synthesis until I am only 1 synth away from crafting the item
• Basic Touch to increase quality
• Master's Mend when I have 10 durability (+30 durability)
• Basic Touch until no more CP
• Careful Synthesis to finish or Basic Synth

Is it a good rotation? I don't seem to make a lot of HQ, a lot of basic touch fail

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That's exactly what I used to do. Combine that with HQ crafting gear and a lot of patience and a lot of HQing of lower level basic mats (like the lumber, leather, etc that I mentioned before) and you shouldn't have too many issues. It isn't a guaranteed HQ but it's the best chance (that I can think of) you can get without significantly higher levels.

honestly you are not going to get a lot of hqs lvling unless you have a lot of cross class skills, or you are using hq mats. you also should be using steady hand.

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Originally Posted by Velveteen

honestly you are not going to get a lot of hqs lvling unless you have a lot of cross class skills, or you are using hq mats. you also should be using steady hand.

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That's why my current path is everything to 15 for the cross-abilities then Culinarian to 37 for Steady Hand II then 1 by 1 to lv50

First level Leatherworker to 15 for the ability "Waste Not" (use 50% less durability for 4 steps)

Then when you unlock Steady hand, pop it, then Waste Not. It will essentially turn a 40 Durability synth in to a 60 durability synth.

My rotation for weaver (lvl 13)atm for cloths etc,

Steady Hand,
Waste Not,
Basic Touch x4
Steady hand
Basic Touch(if I have enough cp left, and am sure I can finish the synth in one hit)
Basic Synth

You'll be surprised how much HQ you can make this way.

Once you unlock Standard touch and Great strides things start getting more tricky.

Thank you. So you do not use Master's Mend in your rotation? interesting
I will try to get Carpenter to 15 but will probably do that after Botany patch for more efficiency

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Originally Posted by Hysterior

Thank you. So you do not use Master's Mend in your rotation? interesting
I will try to get Carpenter to 15 but will probably do that after Botany patch for more efficiency

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Not any more. I used to, but the I discovered how useful Waste Not is.That stacked with steady hand, turns 20 durability in to 40 essentially. So you get 4 goes with Basic Touch (5 if you can one hit the synth) with a 90% success rate. Couple that with the occasional red (good) orb and rare colour changing (excellent) orb your in for a smooth ride with high HQ rates.

Just remember, Steady hand gives your basic synth a 100% success rate. Always use it lol it's an invaluable tool.

I'm sorry, I gave you miss information. Waste Not is the lvl 15 Leatherworker ability, not Carpenter as I originally put.

I have edited my original post to reflect this.

If leatherowker than I can get this done tonight or tomorrow ^^
Thanks

Lol, I was walking around thinking to myself, I don't even have carpenter @ lvl15 yet do I? The doubt set in. I had to Google it :)