The level of the best weapon you can craft?

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09-30-2013, 05:01 PM
Liger

The level of the best weapon you can craft?

Was wondering if it is worth it to buy or craft a lvl 70 weapon. maybe I am wrong, but an HQ lvl 70 lance melded with 5 rank 4 materia (3 determination and 2 critical hit) can be easily compared to a relic. Still it is not going to be the best weapon out there. You still have the relic +1. Considering the amount of time money and of course luck you need to craft that gear, I think it is better to go for a relic since I still can get my +1.
Again, crafting is falling behind compare to what you can get from dungeons and quests. So why can't crafters do a lvl 80 weapons?
09-30-2013, 05:12 PM
Neasa

Because the best things in the game should require effort to obtain, not gil.
09-30-2013, 05:17 PM
IMStarbuck

Oh, the effort for lvling crafter and gathering class is less worthy compare to grinding dungeon?
Good to know that.
09-30-2013, 05:21 PM
Ryuni

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Originally Posted by IMStarbuck

Oh, the effort for lvling crafter and gathering class is less worthy compare to grinding dungeon?
Good to know that.

Not like getting Relic+1 is any effort whatsoever. Getting a level 70 crafted weapon with 5 melded IV materias is probably 10 times more effort/time than getting a Relic +1.
09-30-2013, 05:25 PM
Liger

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Originally Posted by Neasa

Because the best things in the game should require effort to obtain, not gil.

Ok... :/
But that is not what I meant. And by the way, crafting 2 star weapons and do forbidden melding require more effort than what you think.
My point was to have a better role for crafters in getting a worth while weapon.
09-30-2013, 05:26 PM
Ryuni

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Originally Posted by Liger

Ok... :/
But that is not what I meant. And by the way, crafting 2 star weapons and do forbidden melding require more effort than what you think.
My point was to have a better role for crafters in getting a worth while weapon.

It's being said that the best PvP gear will be crafted, so you can look forward to that. Hopefully it'll be true.
09-30-2013, 05:26 PM
Neasa

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Originally Posted by IMStarbuck

Oh, the effort for lvling crafter and gathering class is less worthy compare to grinding dungeon?
Good to know that.

The effort in actually beating some of the end game content is a lot more worthy than just buying your way to success. Let's not encourage RMT activity even more.

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Originally Posted by Liger

Ok... :/
But that is not what I meant. And by the way, crafting 2 star weapons and do forbidden melding require more effort than what you think.
My point was to have a better role for crafters in getting a worth while weapon.

It really doesn't. It requires throwing gil at it until the materia sticks. Crafting isn't difficult. >.>
09-30-2013, 05:29 PM
Dreamer

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Originally Posted by Neasa

Because the best things in the game should require effort to obtain, not gil.

So you're in agreement that crafters should be making the best weapons in the game, then? Because getting a crafting class to 50, getting all the required items for a two-star recipe, having the cross class abilities necessary to get a decent chance at HQing the item, and building, bonding, and converting the mountain of items needed for 5 IV-level materia of the appropriate stats is a far, far, FAR more involved and time consuming process than the +1 relic, as others have mentioned below you.

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Originally Posted by Neasa

The effort in actually beating some of the end game content is a lot more worthy than just buying your way to success. Let's not encourage RMT activity even more.

It really doesn't. It requires throwing gil at it until the materia sticks. Crafting isn't difficult. >.>

Says someone who apparently doesn't have any 40+ crafting or gathering classes. SE has actually done a fairly decent job with crafting, compared to others. It's not simply click to craft.
09-30-2013, 05:30 PM
Ron_Burgundy

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Originally Posted by IMStarbuck

Oh, the effort for lvling crafter and gathering class is less worthy compare to grinding dungeon?
Good to know that.

Hey man them FATE trains are hard!

Edit: Before people get too upset I'm only jabbing at how easy it is for people to level combat classes and am in no way commenting on end game dungeon content.
09-30-2013, 05:31 PM
Liger

Quote:

Originally Posted by Neasa

The effort in actually beating some of the end game content is a lot more worthy than just buying your way to success. Let's not encourage RMT activity even more.

It really doesn't. It requires throwing gil at it until the materia sticks. Crafting isn't difficult. >.>

Lol
Why do you keep bring the issue of Gil to it! And now RMT.
I guess the best solution is to close the market and remove crafting. Will that make you happy ^^;
09-30-2013, 05:33 PM
Ryuni

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Originally Posted by Neasa

The effort in actually beating some of the end game content is a lot more worthy than just buying your way to success. Let's not encourage RMT activity even more.

It really doesn't. It requires throwing gil at it until the materia sticks. Crafting isn't difficult. >.>

Buying a Titan run isn't much less RMT encouraging.
09-30-2013, 05:37 PM
Neasa

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Originally Posted by Dreamer

So you're in agreement that crafters should be making the best weapons in the game, then? Because getting a crafting class to 50, getting all the required items for a two-star recipe, having the cross class abilities necessary to get a decent chance at HQing the item, and building, bonding, and converting the mountain of items needed for 5 IV-level materia of the appropriate stats is a far, far, FAR more involved and time consuming process than the +1 relic, as others have mentioned below you.

Says someone who apparently doesn't have any 40+ crafting or gathering classes. SE has actually done a fairly decent job with crafting, compared to others. It's not simply click to craft.

How clever, you attempted to change what I said to suit you! No, that's obviously not what I said. Don't be so daft.
And no, even Titan requires more effort than sitting and crafting/turning in leves. Obtaining a relic+1 is an absolute joke, no doubt, but at least it takes some ability. You might enjoy being lazy and buying your way to success, but I don't. I have the sense to realize how badly that impacts the game.

Also, I have everything at level 50. That includes crafting and gathering. You're embarrassing yourself.

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Originally Posted by Liger

Lol
Why do you keep bring the issue of Gil to it! And now RMT.
I guess the best solution is to close the market and remove crafting. Will that make you happy ^^;

Because... If you can buy the best things, that just encourages lazy people who support RMT. Is this really going over your head? Just look at all the gil buyers with vanya gear and paying for Titan runs because they're incapable of doing it the honest way.

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Originally Posted by Ryuni

Buying a Titan run isn't much less RMT encouraging.

And I blacklist everyone I see selling, or buying one of those runs. Totally off-subject, by the way.
09-30-2013, 05:41 PM
Neri

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Originally Posted by Neasa

The effort in actually beating some of the end game content is a lot more worthy than just buying your way to success. Let's not encourage RMT activity even more.

So you think all we crafters buy all the crafting ingredient and material? Crafting require effort a lot more grinding if you ask me since there are gathering classes out there to be done too. So basically crafters need DoL as well to reduce the cost of materials. And to be effective crafter, you need more than 1 crafting job for cross skilling as well.

RMT? So you think only crafters bought gil from RMT or something? - -
09-30-2013, 05:43 PM
Neasa

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Originally Posted by Neri

So you think all we crafters buy all the crafting ingredient and material? Crafting require effort a lot more grinding if you ask me since there are gathering classes out there to be done too. So basically crafters need DoL as well to reduce the cost of materials. And to be effective crafter, you need more than 1 crafting job for cross skilling as well.

RMT? So you think only crafters bought gil from RMT or something? - -

... I'm not talking about crafters (or the crafting grind) at all. Thank you for playing.
09-30-2013, 05:47 PM
Zumi

It almost never worth buying or getting a lvl70 weapon crafted because of the easy that relics can be gotten which are better.
09-30-2013, 05:50 PM
Ryuni

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Originally Posted by Neasa

How clever, you attempted to change what I said to suit you! No, that's obviously not what I said. Don't be so daft.
And no, even Titan requires more effort than sitting and crafting/turning in leves. Obtaining a relic+1 is an absolute joke, no doubt, but at least it takes some ability. You might enjoy being lazy and buying your way to success, but I don't. I have the sense to realize how badly that impacts the game.

Also, I have everything at level 50. That includes crafting and gathering. You're embarrassing yourself.

Because... If you can buy the best things, that just encourages lazy people who support RMT. Is this really going over your head? Just look at all the gil buyers with vanya gear and paying for Titan runs because they're incapable of doing it the honest way.

And I blacklist everyone I see selling, or buying one of those runs. Totally off-subject, by the way.

How is it off-subject when we're talking about Relic weapon and how gil shouldn't be able to get the best weapon?

I just proved that today the crafted weapons costs more and takes more effort than it does than doing the relic quest line. Hell there even was a FC that offered a carry from Chimera until Titan for 7m gil.
How that is less RMT encouraging than a crafted weapon, is beyond me.

Who you blacklist or not has no effect to the balance of the game. SE will never do anything against people selling runs because it breaks no rules at all. It's all strictly in-game money.
09-30-2013, 05:52 PM
Neri

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Originally Posted by Neasa

... I'm not talking about crafters (or the crafting grind) at all. Thank you for playing.

I'm not playing or anything, just wondering why you were using this phrase "Because the best things in the game should require effort to obtain, not gil. ". That's on your first comment there.

Basically you were implying that crafting is not an effort at all.
09-30-2013, 06:04 PM
Neasa

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Originally Posted by Ryuni

How is it off-subject when we're talking about Relic weapon and how gil shouldn't be able to get the best weapon?

I just proved that today the crafted weapons costs more and takes more effort than it does than doing the relic quest line. Hell there even was a FC that offered a carry from Chimera until Titan for 7m gil.
How that is less RMT encouraging than a crafted weapon, is beyond me.

Who you blacklist or not has no effect to the balance of the game. SE will never do anything against people selling runs because it breaks no rules at all. It's all strictly in-game money.

Okay... I'll admit I didn't quite make the connection there. People buying Titan wins, obtaining relic with no effort... Yeah. I apologize. I'm very much against that too, and as I stated, I immediately blacklist anyone who admits to buying/selling those wins. Obviously my blacklisting these people changes little, but at least I know I won't add to the problem by supporting those people.
Being able to buy/sell these runs breaks any intended challenge in the game, and it's sad SE has no issue with it. I do feel being able to flat-out buy something is a lot easier, and more encouraging for such RMT activity... But yes, you're right - Both have issues.

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Originally Posted by Neri

I'm not playing or anything, just wondering why you were using this phrase "Because the best things in the game should require effort to obtain, not gil. ". That's on your first comment there.

Basically you were implying that crafting is not an effort at all.

That wasn't my intention. I just don't believe the best items in the game should be able to be bought.
I wish I could suggest something like... These crafted items being unsellable (So only a crafter could obtain them), but with how crafting leves are, people can just buy HQs and trade them in for crazy EXP. :\ I have no issues with the crafters themselves.
09-30-2013, 06:07 PM
Ryuni

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Originally Posted by Neasa

Okay... I'll admit I didn't quite make the connection there. People buying Titan wins, obtaining relic with no effort... Yeah. I apologize. I'm very much against that too, and as I stated, I immediately blacklist anyone who admits to buying/selling those wins. Obviously my blacklisting these people changes little, but at least I know I won't add to the problem by supporting those people.
Being able to buy/sell these runs breaks any intended challenge in the game, and it's sad SE has no issue with it. I do feel being able to flat-out buy something is a lot easier, and more encouraging for such RMT activity... But yes, you're right - Both have issues.

That wasn't my intention. I just don't believe the best items in the game should be able to be bought.
I wish I could suggest something like... These crafted items being unsellable (So only a crafter could obtain them), but with how crafting leves are, people can just buy HQs and trade them in for crazy EXP. :\ I have no issues with the crafters themselves.

Well I'm on the same page as you. I wish paying for kills like that wasn't possible, but unfortunately it is and nothing we can do about.

I think TERA did something like that, not sure if they have changed it (at least they made leveling up professions extremely easy). But the best gear in-game was only craftable by yourself since it would bind after crafting. And the materials needed was drops from the hardest boss in the game and bind on pickup.
09-30-2013, 06:24 PM
Valfurien

I just don't see why SE doesn't do something like end game untradeable gear of equivalent ilvl to some of the current raiding gear or give crafting classes the ability to add extra materia slots to the current gear that then makes the piece untradeable.

It couldn't be exploited that way and it makes it so that leveling a craft as well as a job beneficial for endgame. Also kind of makes crafting more attractive to endgame oriented players.
09-30-2013, 06:43 PM
Liger

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Originally Posted by Ryuni

Well I'm on the same page as you. I wish paying for kills like that wasn't possible, but unfortunately it is and nothing we can do about.

I think TERA did something like that, not sure if they have changed it (at least they made leveling up professions extremely easy). But the best gear in-game was only craftable by yourself since it would bind after crafting. And the materials needed was drops from the hardest boss in the game and bind on pickup.

This is really a good suggestion. I do support this idea of having crafters being able to craft high lvl untradeble weapons for themselves. At least this will encourage me to do more crafting.